Joanna Lumley is terrified for men

[QuentinSummers]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43884163
Can't decide if her quote has been blown out of all proportion by the BBC or if she's genuinely terrified for men's egos, the poor lambs.

I also can't believe this is news.

Re career females - the reality is that men dominate all the careers and fields they find valuable, and relegate women to doing the low status work. The instant men deem a career to be worthy and high status, women are pushed out, and when women move into a field men immediately consider it of lesser value (in Russia, for example, most doctors are female and medicine is a poorly paid low status job. The men didn’t want it, so downgraded the career’s value)

The intake in the UK to law, medicine and accountancy is pretty much equal- and has been for some time. And all over the UK parents of sons are saying "I'm so disappointed in him- he's a doctor/ solicitor/ barrister/ accountant" Except of course they aren't.

Are you seriously suggesting that the status of these professions is diminished because half of them are women? Or is this actually another example of exaggerated whingeing and in fact talking women down?

I don't know if this fact about Russia is true; if it is I would say it is more to do with the basket case Russian society has become since the fall of Communism than anything which can be usefully extrapolated.

To be clear, the man who told me that was not a medical professional and had no information whatsoever about my vagina.

I can only tell you about MY observations, and have always framed things as such.
Why? Why are you doing it though? To illustrate the point of the OP regarding the male ego? What makes you think your "different perspective" is of use to women here?

You made a statement of fact - 'the glass ceiling is no longer ubiquitous' - in spite of a lot of women's experience and a lot of research to the contrary. Then you said how you believe women should think and feel. What gives you the right to believe anything about what women should think and feel?

Right ho Just

Because I am raising two women-of-the-future and if I've got it completely fucking wrong, I can think of no better group than to tell me!!!

You have got it completely fucking wrong.

5th rule of misogyny: Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

JustOneMan

If you take noting else from this thread of you behaving like an entitled mansplaining jerk full of women politely engaging with you please take this.

We are not your servants. We do not exist to serve you. Stop treating women as though they are a resource for you to exploit.

Well said JustOneMan, your girls are lucky to have you. thebewilderness, feel sorry for you.

leggere, a cheerful bollocks to your post!

Reads to me like thebewilderness has got the measure of JustOneMan. Cos it's obvious!

OneMan, they are not yours. They will learn what they live not what you tell them.
You have got it wrong. Read some books and work on yourself.

If your "feminism" consists of patronizingly implying that women who disagree with you are damaged and should be pitied then your "feminism" is a bit shit, Just.

12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

I mentioned this earlier today. I read some disgusting comments from her in response to #metoo in an interview. I was so shocked that I took a photo of it but have deleted it now.

I've suffered (like many women) sexual, physical, verbal abuse from men. However, the nastiest, most damaging, relentless, vindictive, vicious mental abuse/torture was from women. Have never recovered from it and probably never will!

I'm not looking for pity/sympathy, just stating a fact. Permanently psychologically damaged by a small group of women!

leggere
I know what you mean. The most shocking thing in the world seems to be women acting like people.
People often claim that mental abuse is worse than physical abuse.
Personally I think it is apples and oranges.

If your "feminism" consists of patronizingly implying that women who disagree with you are damaged and should be pitied then your "feminism" is a bit shit, Just

I would suggest he's got his feminism bang on if the rest of this board is anything to go by.

I'm afraid I've become a bit skeptical of all this 'lived experience' stuff. Not wishing to take away from individual experiences, but it smacks of postmodern subjective manipulation. Which isn't a million miles away from just self IDing into whatever identity you want.

That said the glass ceiling wether it is a tangible and effective barrier to women's ambitions constructed by men, a phantom in the mind of women or a mixture of the two the effects of it are essentially the same whatever the origin, and should be dismantled.

However if your diagnosis for the cause(s) are fallacious then the resulting cure and prognosis isn't particularly good.

If your reference to 'Lived Experience's is to what I said CritEqual, my point there was that men, including Just, are so used to shaping the world in their own image that they will, without even thinking about it, tell women what women experience, as though they know more about it. That includes telling individual women about their own lives and feelings - including the man telling me about my vaginal tearing, I've also had a man tell me about my periods, about my work life, about how I felt as a teenager. Lived experience might not be a good basis for theory but regardless of that, it's still my experience and nobody else can tell me about my own memories and feelings!

Just told women about the glass ceiling and about how he believes women should feel about work. On a feminist board. What did he expect us to say? Thank you wonderful Man, for telling us about our own lives and feelings, now we have the clarity only the Mighty Penis can bring?

Telling your daughters the truth about obstacles they may encounter is also destroying all hope in Just's world, apparently, rather than preparing them well so that when they encounter the obstacle they won't be surprised, will know it's a systemic issue rather than something that's just happening to them, and will thus be ready to take it on.