Reconciling competing rights

[GaspingShark]

Let me start by saying I do know what it's like to have my experience disbelieved, invalidated and gaslighted on an large scale, though not as a trans person or a victim of sexual assault. I don't have PTSD but I do know what it's like to have triggerable sources of distress, again, not as a trans person or a victim of sexual assault.

For me, equal rights must include the right to define your own experience, without gatekeepers, and to be very hesitant to consider people delusional.

So I am unsure about this. I would be ashamed of trans friends seeing me saying stuff such as "I err on the side of including them as much as possible", because I don't think that kind of recognition is mine to confer.

OTOH, I don't know if therefore that means I'm not recognising sexual assault survivors distressed by the fear of male people in women-only contexts.

Is this reconcilable, or does it mean one side just has to grin and bear it? I'll read this thread carefully but due to my bad management of a health condition I can't promise to tend it beyond the OP atm.

Believe me I have plenty of world experience.

My point was that the concept of privilege when detached from class analysis becomes the Oppression Olympics. It's meaningless and impossible to quantify, which is what is expected.

@ Ereshkigal "I'm not sure what the point of this exchange is."

This is what I want to understand:

"So many men know that equality is right but can't help feeling oppressed as their privilege is lessened even a little."

It starts to make more sense to me if I change "men" to "male students", which is a bit of a crappy POV TBH, but tough to shift.

@ Ereshkigal
"Believe me I have plenty of world experience."

That's right, and doesn't change what I said. The problem for us here is I have no formal education beyond 4 'o' levels, and if I ever went to University I wouldn't have done "social science" type courses.

The privilege here is the privilege that men as a class have over women as a class.

"Believe me, I understand you. I can't speak for you but I don't assume anything." is the credible statement of an Adult talking to an Adult.

I'm geting to privilege, I get Class Analysis, but I'm still on "this won't work b/c we relate to the world in different ways" ie expectations vs. pragmatism. My interest is personal and applied, rather than academic or cathartic. I enjoy making tools, but can't use anyone else's very well. We are stuck until I go on an evening course or something, or else find a way to ground the ideas into the messy old World we know and love.

...and I'm liking the way I seem to be questioning that students are even people, and haven't been roasted for it just yet. [checks clock]

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is and keep being surprised it's still going and going and going

I go on 'threads im on' and comment...usually ive no fucking cliue what the original thread was about

erish

Statistics: The only acceptable way of saying that "The average person does not exist." o__O

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is and keep being surprised it's still going and going and going...

Entitled attention seeking springs to mind!

LangCleg

"Entitled attention seeking springs to mind!"

Lol, as does 'virtue signalling'

In 'debate' terms, this room is less like a plush executive boardroom, and more like a Town Square,( complete with stocks). I'd love to hear your detailed opinions as to how unacceptable I am being, then I can feel less bad for ignoring them.

Don't complain that the Village Idiot is still hanging around after everyone else has gone home. Rip what I say to pieces, instead, or go home and sleep it off. If you act like a bloke, then I can deal with that forever.

That's some terrible weed you are smoking these dates madbaddaddy.

"Reconciling competing rights" is the topic. Women in a women's space are misrepresenting trans people due to ignorance and/or fear. ('malice' on a public web page is meaningless). When challenged by trans people the standard reply is to go and get organised and present a revised set of proposed rights, and/or go and fix the other men. Then wait and see.

This will quickly happen as soon as 0.1% of the UK pop. successfully organises and is able to resolve the problems caused by a small minority of 99.9% of everyone else, as well as put the brakes on the SelfID legislation, explain Trans' needs in ways acceptable to all other genders, and perfect nuclear fusion. We're only outnumbered a few thousand to one, so we should be done by Christmas.

"Third Gender" was a promising idea until I realised that it would mean that there would probably be more Trans-friendly bathrooms in the UK than there were Trans people. (FFS!)

This means we're only outnumbered a few thousand to one, so we should be done by Christmas.

PPB - You smoke dates? That's pretty badass.

It's Christmas thing baddaddy.

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