James Kirkup cheerleading for Justine!

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blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/if-mumsnet-can-stand-up-for-free-speech-why-cant-mps/

Another great article.

I just wish more journalists would cover this and ask the difficult questions.

MP's do need to be called to account on this.

So many when written to just issue trite meaningless waffle that fails to address the issue and even disclose their views.

We are talking about policy that impacts 52% of the population and most MP's don't have a public stance on this - yet ask them about pretty much anything else and they sure as hell have an opinion on it.

It's fucking disgraceful.

@Floisme

Given the state of the WEP I happily vote for the Mumsnet party :-)

All I can see in that Elizabeth Truss tweet is someone saying nothing. Being very careful to say nothing.

That's true but at least she's opened her mouth.

@TheRoadtoTerfdom Good point. I think there are going to be many MNers getting their subscriptions thanks to this article

Thank you James!

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Hurrah, and thanks again James. A really well written article

She openly backed Justine's stance on free speech and says she has an open mind.

We can't expect all MPs to understand all the issues already but they should be able and willing to give them a proper airing.

(Thanks for info on law thing Artemis)

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Hi all,
We have deleted the piece as it's not quite cricket to just cut and paste an article like that, but as many people have posted, it is available on the Spectator website.

Another great article, James. Thank you.

Another great article. 👏 Thank you James.

Excellent article

Even Girlguiding's policy got a mention! I'm very grateful to Justine, James Kirkup and Fraser Nelson and the Sunday Times for giving us the the space to have these discussions. We shouldn't need to be grateful - but in the current climate it takes boldness and principles to simply state biological facts.

There a reply on that Twitter thread from someone with a Disney avatar which reminds me of this

How many of you have read Peter Pan? Do you remember Tinker Bell? Do you remember her saying that every time someone says that they do not believe in fairies, a fairy dies?

The Spectator is absolutely to be applauded for printing James Kirkup's stuff but there's no denying that it's an odd beast. I got a subscription recently on the back of listening to Isabel Hardman and Katy Balls on the podcast, but the actual mag is all Rod Liddle and Taki

It's an eclectic mix of contributors, I'll give you that. The comments below the line are usually pretty harsh though - not many feminists there, from what I've read.

Fantastic article.

Two of the replies on Elizabeth Truss tweet say that MN ban transwomen for no reason Because thats likely.

@TheRoadtoTerdom

If James were here I would want to thank him for writing this piece (and the others) and The Spectator for publishing it and I would like him to know that I have just this minute subscribed to The Spectator to thank him and his Editor - we appreciate you writing about this issue.

that they do not believe in fairies, a fairy dies?

I had a laugh at that too. "literally kills trans women"

No, men literally kill trans women, women, other men...

Someone has made an twitter account claiming that they were insulted and unfairly banned from MN when as a trans identified male they started a thread asking for breastfeeding support for the child they had fathered.

I imagine they were trolling then and are trolling now.

Someone DID come on asking for trans breastfeeding support. I think we all assumed they were telling porkies, given that sounded wildly not-good from the baby's point of view, and it was reported accordingly.

I remember that breast feeding thread.

Couldn't have been more clear that it was wank fodder if the poster had posted a picture of himself, winkie in hand, pressing refresh.