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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WPUK: A Woman’s Place Is Fighting Back: Cornwall

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Writersblock2 · 13/04/2018 17:53

WPUK as events continue to take place across the U.K.
Save the date for Cornwall

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Writersblock2 · 20/04/2018 00:18

Bumpity bump! Tickets on sale soon!

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Trumpdump · 20/04/2018 00:37

Oh wow! I just looked at Cornwall on a map... I thought it was near London? Guess not!

Arse end of nowhere springs to mind...

RaininSummer · 20/04/2018 08:30

Near London? That made me chuckle. This is why I am excited as almost everywhere in the country is too far normally. Really hope we can meet first somewhere as worried about getting in past Tras if alone.

Writersblock2 · 20/04/2018 09:12

*Trumpdump" How very dare you! :D :P

RaininSummer - absolutely. That's why we did it. It's bloody important Cornwall is included. Many women down here expressed an interest in attending an event. And now they can. :)
Absolutely happy to meet you before hand (there will be a few of us). Once the tickets are on sale and you have yours, send me a PM and we will sort it out. I'm probably going to start a closed FB group for those wanting to do this.

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TripleRainbow · 20/04/2018 09:15

*Trumpdump
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And it is a beautiful arse end.

RaininSummer · 20/04/2018 10:19

@writersblock2. Ty will def do that.

SpartacusOfEtruria · 20/04/2018 12:29

I am amazed to hear that there is a university presence in Cornwall. When I lived there (back when it were all fields, obviously!), the closest uni was Plymouth, and that was a Polytechnic then. A night out walking round Liskeard town centre was about as exciting as it got.

I haven't been back for years. Perhaps this is my opportunity to look up some old friends.

Writersblock2 · 20/04/2018 13:23

Spartacus Ah, it's changed a bit since then. Some for the better, some not.
Either way, you'd be very welcome at the meeting. :)

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Spotsandstars · 20/04/2018 13:39

I'm going to sound very ignorant but can someone explain in simple terms what all this is about?
Is it that as we women we want to keep our gender recognised and that a trans person does not automatically become a women just because they say so?
I'm very keen that my children grow up learning to celebrate the individuality of their genders (one ds and one dd ) and that being a girl is special as is being a boy, I hate this non specific gender talk. Sorry if I'm way off the ball!

Writersblock2 · 20/04/2018 14:32

Hi Spotsandstars
Thank you for the question. In simple terms, it's about biology (sex), not gender, and the two are very different things. Radical feminists see gender as the expression of stereotypes in society that are attached to sex (e.g. to be simplistic with the stereotypes, biological girls are raised to like pink, be into dresses, and learn ballet, whereas biological boys are raised to like blue, like getting muddy, and play football). The current transgender "trend" (not to be confused with the previously named transexuals) basically says that if you are a boy and you like the "girl things" (e.g. as before: pink, dresses, ballet) then you MUST really be a girl, and vice-versa.

I'm sure you're already seeing why this is a problem.

To try and not get bogged down in the detail or the nuances, in short, women who are concerned about this recognise that liking pink, dresses, ballet (or not!) does not make one a female (girl/woman).

So what does make one a female?

We would answer it is our biology.

Because of that answer, we want to be able to address issues relating to our biology: periods, pregnancy, hormones, violence (because it's mostly committed by men against women), rape (ditto) etc.

Trans Rights Activists do not want us to talk about those things because they feel by doing so we are not including men who identify as women. They do not believe in biology, they believe in feelings. We say that we do not need to include them in those things because they do not impact them (being biological men).

In the current legislation, a person who considers themselves trans can go through a process of two years to obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate which then takes away their SEX marker on their birth certificate and replaces it with their chosen GENDER. Their safety, well-being and health is covered in legislation. They have the same rights as non-trans people.

In the Equality Act there are exemptions that can be applied in certain situations to allow sex-segregated spaces (like women's only shelters for domestic violence etc). This means that even though a trans-person may have a certificate, the exemption would apply to them because they are not biologically female.

We want to be able to talk about those exemptions being upheld because there are proposed changed to legislation that will do away with the process of obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate and instead allow people to self-identify. This means that any male who wants access to female spaces is able to just declare himself as a female and have access to them.

The problem we have is not with transgendered people, the problem we have is that many businesses, organisations and political parties are ALREADY saying that people who self-id should be allowed in sex-segregated spaces; they are not recognising or upholding the exemptions.It is therefore allowing men who want access to women's spaces an easy "in."

All we want is to be able to DISCUSS what self-id means and have reassurance that sex-segregated spaces will be upheld.

What you mentioned in your post applies to sex: you want your daughter to feel as special as a girl as a boy does (correct me if I am wrong). Unfortunately, if the left keeps having their way, your daughter will not have her sex recognised. Women's Short Lists will allow for self-identified males to join/compete.

I'll stop there, because it IS nuanced, and there are many aspects to this. If you have any questions, I am happy to try and answer. It's great you are asking questions.

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Writersblock2 · 22/04/2018 09:51

Think I should have saved my breath!
Bumpity hump for Cornwall.

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MrsUnderwood · 22/04/2018 10:27

I’m interested in going but as it’s a looooongg way from home for me I’ll need to stay over night so I’ll wait and see if there are more details of the venue so I can sort out accommodations.

Writersblock2 · 24/04/2018 12:36

Tickets on sale!!!

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-fighting-back-tickets-45471473401

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DearSergio · 24/04/2018 13:42

I'm really hoping for an Exeter meeting one day as that's the nearest " big " city to me, but I'll keep an eye on this Cornwall one, depending on where it is I could possibly make it Smile

therealposieparker · 24/04/2018 13:48

I'm going!!

Writersblock2 · 24/04/2018 14:02

therealposieparker I should bloody well hope so! :D :p

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Writersblock2 · 24/04/2018 14:28

Mull not kill. Love predictive text!

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Jeanhatchet · 24/04/2018 17:48

I'm delighted to be there. Can't wait to meet women I've only met on t'internet because in real life women are so much more ... woman. And fierce. And funny.

Ereshkigal · 24/04/2018 18:02

What a fantastic line up!

Ereshkigal · 24/04/2018 18:06

I am happy to evidence my gender criticalness under my real name and sign a non disclosure agreement if necessary Grin it would be handy to know the town/area for purpose of booking a b&b for the Saturday.

Writersblock2 · 24/04/2018 18:08

Lemme have a word with WPUK and I’ll get back to you

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Ereshkigal · 24/04/2018 18:28

Thank you, Writersblock. Much appreciated.

Writersblock2 · 24/04/2018 19:01

@Ereshkigal -incoming DM!

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RoaringForties · 24/04/2018 19:21

Brilliant, thank you, this is great news.

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