If WEP decided Sex Matters would you join?

[womanhuman]

By which I mean continued protection of women/girl-only spaces (physical spaces, services, organisations, stats, programmes) on a sex-not-gender basis.

I would.

Because nearly everything else follows from maintaining that distinction.

Possibly. I have no political home at the moment (given the stance of both labour and the LibDems). But I'd need to be sure that they meant it and were going to stick with it.

Yes, I would consider it.

Probably.

I would like to however I will never accept that a transwoman is a woman the same as me

If they take a clear position against self-ID and protection of women as a class plus a clear Nordic model position I would definitely vote for them and consider joining.

WEP should understand that we are their natural constituency. The libfem “intersectional” crowd will never prioritise women enough to vote based on women’s issues.

Not sure about joining, but id definitely vote for any party that takes this stance.

No, but I would never have joined them or voted for them. I think they , like the Green Party, should be a single issue campaign group, not a political party.

The Green Party in Scotland for example is now a hard left party propagating class war. My perception of them, is they say very little about green issues and far too much about separatism.

Yes - but I would need to see a good few strong gender critical women in positions of influence to give me confidence that we're not just being fed a lie to get our support before shoving us back under the self-id bus.
I've just left the Lib Dems after 20 years and am finding the political homelessness and sense of betrayal surprisingly hard to deal with.

Yes, and I would be willing to donate towards the cost of fielding candidates in as many constituencies as possible - with priority given to areas where there are high-profile TIMs in AWS roles.

It would be better to campaign in areas where the more gender critical party's candidate could get in than field a WEP candidate against a AWS candidate to make a point.

100% yes

yes, so would my partner

ex labour

Yes, definitely. I'd love that (but they won't do it!)

Yes I would.

WEP founder Catherine Mayer wrote this (so I would anticipate that the party will remain firmly intersectional and inclusive).

www.catherinemayer.co.uk/single-post/2018/02/22/We-need-to-have-difficult-debates-We-need-to-find-better-ways-to-have-them

Personally I think all parties need to be inclusive if they are going to action real change. The WEP actively includes men (as so it should), as following in the footsteps of Emma Watson and the #HeForShe campaign, everyone should be working together towards women’s equality.

It would be better to campaign in areas where the more gender critical party's candidate could get in

That sounds good in theory, but you’re still handing your vote to the party that has betrayed you. Words are cheap and no matter what an individual politician tells me, unless they’re actually going to be publicly vocal about self id, then they’re no help.

I would definitely consider it.

I think they , like the Green Party, should be a single issue campaign group, not a political party.

I actually agree with this. They are unlikely to ever get any MPs. I think they would make more impact as a professional lobbying group.

Personally I think all parties need to be inclusive if they are going to action real change. The WEP actively includes men (as so it should)

I agree. This is very different though from saying in law and otherwise that the diverse groups represented are the same as each other.

nothing wrong with intersectional and inclusive!

its the appropriated and bastardised versions of those theories and stances that i object to

They would need to make a stand against self ID.

Very possibly. I'd need a clear, manifesto-led commitment to no self-ID GRA amendment, clarification and strengthening of EqA sex exemptions, and the Nordic model. Also something about redressing the impact austerity has had on low income women.

Mostly agreeing with Lang (as usual) but my answer is ‘Maybe’.

Being most concerned with the needs of low-income people, I’d like it if they’d go a bit more socialist, tbh. The ‘middle-class women’s issues party’ feel isn’t appealing.

I’d like them to steer clear of identity politics.

I don’t want them telling me that male people are/can be female people. I’m starting to care a great deal about grown adults expecting me to share this belief.

HBE is owed a massive apology and that episode needs to be reflected upon.

Bottom line: The WEPs approach to trans issues and how they’ve dealt with dissent hasn’t given me huge confidence in their judgement or integrity.

This is the response I got to my fairly precisely worded complaint to the LDs. it's generic, bland and condescending. I'm posting it here as someone said they had left the party. If anyone leaves, please write and tell the LDs why so they can't keep dismissing the issue (and conflating it with intersex conditions).

It would appear you are complaining about the Liberal Democrats LGBT+ Twitter account. If that is the case, the Liberal Democrats LGBT+ are independent of the Party and comments on their site are their own and not the Party’s.

The Liberal Democrats strive to provide an inclusive and open environment and we are extremely proud of our record on LGBT+ issues.

As a party, we believe in people's right to self-identify and determine their own gender as a fundamental human right, and we celebrate this diversity and inclusivity. This includes being able to identify as an ‘X’ for those who do not wish to define themselves as male or female – which helps to reduce discrimination against transgender and intersex people.

We look to promote and work with minority groups at every opportunity within the party. The Liberal Democrats exist to represent, promote and encourage liberal values in our society and we strive for everyone to feel acceptance and understanding within the party regardless of age, race, gender or sexuality.

Probably