Ulster Rugby trial -continued

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Chaos I do see your point but I am troubled how anyone can behave in such a warped way and have experienced a normal childhood and relationships. If they had how could they have such non existent empathy?

how else could their behavior possibly be explainEd?*

Seriously Bella, you can't see how it's simply a case of their own arrogance & mysoginistic outlook??

Chaos I do see your point but I am troubled how anyone can behave in such a warped way and have experienced a normal childhood and relationships. If they had how could they have such non existent empathy?

One of the least pleasant manifestations of misogyny - not adequately challenged in their families, peer group, role models, education etc. I would like to think my DC could never behave like this.
I understand looking for something more, it's not nice.

There is no evidence that men who commit rape and sexual abuse are more likely to have suffered abuse themselves. In fact I think they probably came from normal healthy families who have probably not committed any other crime accept rape because to them what they are doing is not a crime.
This view reinforced by society when they see very few men convicted of their type of behaviour and women constantly blamed for complaining about their behaviour.
When they see families of accused men stand up for them but the families of women abused blame them. That is the very definition of rape culture.

I wonder how their team mates feel about them?
Surely there are non misogynistic players on the Irish and Ulster squads.

Thankyou chaos and totally that makes sense although I find it really depressing. Bumble I was coming at it from what I understand about child development and central to this is that abuse and neglect can have an effect on empathy development.

In this case and this one alone (because this thread is dedicated to it) I believe they behaved as they did because they thought they could without consequence.

Like many pps I went to an independent school with a strong rugby culture albeit in the ROI. Both my brother and father played and still love the sport. However as neither ever drank much, they never really participated in the more laddish post match socialising that seems to be part of the culture. That’s not to say they weren’t aware of it and they were pretty explicit in warning me off. To a greater extent though I was probably protected from predatory behaviour because I was x’s sister/daughter - the only upside to a crummy patrician society. Not all girls/women were given the same respect.

The way these “top shaggers” referred to women in the WhatsApp - brassers, Belfast sluts - is not how they’d reference each other’s sisters. It’s language reserved for those they consider fair game.

Princess Megan - that is exactly why I think when people say to men defending men accused of this kind of behaviour towards women it has little impact.
Most men see females in 2 categories. The ones who deserve protection and the ones who don't deserve protection because they are not their own. Reason why right wing newspapers get so riled up when non white men rape intoxicated women but make excuses for white men who do exactly the same.

Bumble really if you are so offended then report my post, do whatever floats your boat on a Saturday night. I have seen far worse on mumsnet but I am sure they will take you very seriously 😐

bella

I think bumble is more concerned about mumsnet being sued because of the actions of one its posters

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Most men are definitely far more protective of their own. I’m not convinced that they necessarily bundle all other women into the “fair game” category, but they are certainly capable of being very disrespectful to some. The Madonna - whore complex is alive and well....

bellasuewow I am also concerned about the content and tone of your posts on such an important thread. I have also reported your posts and think you are being incredibly rude, especially to bumfuddle who has made many very insightful contributions.

I am sorry to offend anyone and that was not my intention and I don’t want to derail the thread.