Ulster Rugby trial -continued

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Good article in the Guardian today.

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Chaosandchocolate How do you do that link? I end up copying and pasting lines of a web address.

Double square brackets with web line copied and pasted. If you leave a space before closing the square brackets then type whatever you want the link to say then those words become the link.

Not sure I've explained that well, haven't had a coffee yet!

On my phone there's instructions how to do it at bottom of page alongside the smileys list.

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Very well explained! Thank you.

You're welcome

Yes I was a bit at the working class Protestants comment as well. I'm Protestant and English but with very Irish name due to marriage, live in Ireland, kids see themselves as both, they go to a mixed (male and female) school with people of many religions or none - all of whom are Irish.

I've got the most Irish sounding name ever, but I'm Protestant and middle class. Sorry to disappoint.

According to The Times today, French club Clermont (the one Greig Laidlaw plays for) have already made a move for Jackson. Laidlaw’s deal with them was worth a fortune so sadly, it doesn’t look as if Jackson’s earning potential is going to suffer. Let’s hope that the stigma of having his contract with Ulster severed is enough punishment.

Interestingly, Laidlaw plays scrum-half and fly-half, usually playing no. 9, and is a kicker. Jackson plays fly-half, no.10, and is also a kicker. I wonder how Laidlaw, who’s always struck me as a decent man, will feel about all this, having to work really closely with Jackson?

Well if he ends up at a French club he's gonna get a heck of a lot of culture shock. Unless things have changed in the last five years there's just not the cult of rugby hero worship over there and he'll be expected to act like a respectful grown up just like everybody else.

Unless things have changed in the last five years there's just not the cult of rugby hero worship over there

I guess Johnny Wilkinson’s stint at Toulon passed you by. He was feted like a god down there.

The French clubs, especially the ones in south west France have rugby mad fans. If you play for Toulouse, Clermont, Castre, Montpellier then you are treated like local heroes. It has always been that way.

At least that's something Feminist. I also think that losing their jobs will hopefully set the tone for other rugby players - even if not not scared about the law, they might worry about Club repercussions so will hopefully think twice before behaving like either Olding or Jackson, or even engaging in 'banter' in such a disgusting way about women generally.

(Be the change you want to see - great phrase NotTaken & sums up how I feel.)

Oh Lord @Sashh I have seen you here for many years and have pretty much always had you down as a good egg with moderate views.

That is one of the most racist remarks I have come across in a long time.
I am Irish, middle class, as peasant looking as they come, and I am not Catholic.
I have worked in pretty much every English speaking country you can list off the top of your head, and I have been subjected to the assumptions that I am :
-church (Catholic) bound

• illiterate or barely educated
• a drunkard or fond of alcohol (I drink a bottle of wine a year and my parents are teetotal)
• backwards (I'm university educated with a degree in a profession that means I have walked into jobs all over the world)
• like diddlee-iddlee music (loathe)
• support the IRA of violence in general (loathe)
• lazy
• temperamental

There is blind spot when it comes to racism against Irish people and it fuels the sectarian divide in Northern Ireland....as people for one group do not want to be associated with the above assumptions about them.

The issue with these guys has a certain element of being part of the more powerful group in terms of background, income, sex, school etc and their religious background is probably part of it BUT it is not why they are badly behaved young men.

Please, please leave it out.

I hope this thread doesn’t get derailed. It feels like there are two different conversations going on at the moment, and one of them has me completely lost as to its relevance.

@sashh please tell me your post is a joke?

What a really silly post to make about someone looking Irish by having deep set eyes and a downward looking frown???

Absolutely ridiculous assumption. There are Irish people who are Church of Ireland? My friend being one of them and she doesn't look different based on your description?

I am genuinely shocked at your post

Really sad about the way this thread has gone. It’s not why it (and the original) was started and it’s become really offensive. I don’t want this thread to be zapped. I’d like to ask those making comments about appearance/intellect and religion to have those posts deleted please. There is no place for them here on this thread. They add nothing to the thread and they are hurtful.

I'd like to ask those making comments about appearance/intellect and religion to have those posts deleted please. There is no place for them here on this thread. They add nothing to the thread and they are hurtful.

Yes.

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/i-am-even-more-determined-to-prove-myself-olding-and-jackson-respond-after-irfu-sack-irish-rugby-players-36806258.html

Doesn't look like from their statements that PJ or SO have any intention of not getting back into rugby. The sense I get from this article is that being dropped by UR is making them more determined to prove themselves.

I really hope this conversation keeps going and doesn't just go away with time.

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/rugby/other-rugby/stuart-olding-on-the-brink-of-signing-with-english-giants-as-paddy-jackson-opens-talks-with-french-club-36808248.html.

According to this article SO is on the verge of signing with an English club Exeter and PJ to a French club as mentioned before.

Life just goes on for these people. No real repercussions for their disgusting behaviour and view of women

However, this is all a side issue.

The issue really is the misogyny at the heart of N Ireland society, which I believe to be far far worse than in the rest of the UK or the rest of Ireland.