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Ulster Rugby trial -continued

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ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 04/04/2018 18:18

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NotTakenUsername · 09/04/2018 09:58

Just grabbed these a minute ago. They have about 4,000. The other has 67,000.

I accept they are not directly comparable, but one is against misogyny and the other is complicit in it.

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ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 09/04/2018 10:01

One of those sounds like an official petition. The other sounds like a comment on Facebook.

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NotTakenUsername · 09/04/2018 10:01

Sorry I’m ranting, but it’s also telling that the one looking to reinstate these men has been starting by someone who used only initials to identify themselves. What are they ashamed of...?

The other petition was started by a woman who uses her full name: strong, loud and proud. 💪

BusterTheBulldog · 09/04/2018 10:34

Is the one calling for the Irfu review still active? Does anyone have a link?

BusterTheBulldog · 09/04/2018 10:44

Thank you

NotTakenUsername · 09/04/2018 13:14

So, they should be starting the hearing now. I wonder how long it will take to reach a decision.

mikado1 · 09/04/2018 13:24

Aodhán O'R has apologised for his tweet. I wish he'd just said nothing but perhaps PJ's solicitor was in touch..or his own.

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 09/04/2018 13:51

Shame. You never know what his party have told him to do either though.

GrainneWail · 09/04/2018 14:39

I saw AO'R's apology and presumed it was some sort of settlement and the threat of a case against him is dropped? Pure speculation on my part.

ExMCB · 09/04/2018 16:10

I am ex methody. Rugby culture was bad but not as bad in my time and in my view as that of Campbell or Inst. I grew up with a lot of Campbellians and look back in horror at their attitudes to women. Then again i hung around with the indie band kids at school and the rugby boys were not that high status in our year - maybe to the lovestruck fourth years but not to us. They weren't the centre of the it crowd or anything.

Although, typical school assembly was like 'whisper, whisper, some girls apparently won lots of stuff,' 'mumble, mumble, boys first eight bla bla whatevs who cares', then... drum roll... 'EVERYONE, I'm sure you'll all be as DELIGHTED as i am to hear the rugby team came EIGHTH in something. Sure let's get them all up on stage and give them a big hand. Aren't they great? Now, how about a half day for them?' etc etc. So attitude definitely coming from the school.

I have recently returned to northern ireland to bring my kids up in a nice place with good schools etc etc... I love so much about society here (community, friendliness, relative safety, affordability) but this case has horrified me to the point of wanting to go back to London. It's the deeply ingrained misogyny that I really, really thought would have moved on a bit but seems to have gone only backwards.

Step · 09/04/2018 16:48

Chuckle - I referred to a school in the east of the city.... That's the one East Belfast boys only boarding school with ingrained rugby culture. Hardly a surprise that without girls they have some weird attitudes.

buckeejit · 09/04/2018 18:54

ExMCB I feel the same way. Love living back home but this case is so depressing-deeply mysogynisfic views all round. Seriously considering ending a friendship with close friend of 30 years due to her unpalatable views on it. Can't stop thinking about it but also determined to somehow help make a change so this society progresses & women are safer.

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Totallymyownperson · 09/04/2018 20:39

I have a bad feeling that they will be allowed back to play because the men at the top don't think any boycott will have much impact given it is a sport mainly played by men and supported by men. There lawyers have already cowed the senator into apologising and are probably threatening to do the same to the rugby club.

Elend · 09/04/2018 20:52

Well I was brought up in a dirt poor Catholic family in a Catholic area of Mid-Ulster too, and reason the attitudes around this case didn't surprise me in the slightest is that I can so easily imagine the same thing taking place in GAA circles - because those boys get smoke blown up their arse all their lives too. What "community" rugby is associated with has bog all to do with it.

Ravenheart1 · 09/04/2018 21:14

www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/mixed-response-to-paddy-jackson-apology-over-whatsapp-comments-1.3453324

*Mr McKane says the IRFU and Ulster Rugby face a difficult task. “If the equivalent language had been used about religion or race, the organisation wouldn’t have a leg to stand on,” he said.

“If Ulster believes in values of wanting it to be an inclusive family sport they have to take this very seriously and address every issue.

“Sponsors also will be looking at this very closely,” he said. “There will be a need to look at the business goals of those sponsors. It’s not just to give them money, they don’t want to risk their customer base. They will have to be taken into consideration.”*

Puzzled - why is it that if equivalent comments had been made on the basis of race or religion, the IRFU and Ulster would not have a leg to stand on, but not on the grounds of sex?

Because women deserve less protection?

NotTakenUsername · 09/04/2018 21:18

Because when you attack a race or religion, half of that group are men. And when men get angry everyone has to listen.
Women are a soft target, innit.

Totallymyownperson · 09/04/2018 21:20

I am afraid sexism and misogyny is not seen as bad as racism. Perhaps because racism enrages men and sexism only women.

TheCraicDealer · 09/04/2018 21:29

My BIL made the point that if the IRFU do just get shot of them then they could face issues around chats involving other players being "leaked". I don't think anyone thinks that this pair were the only ones displaying this kind of attitude and this has the potential to expose that. His view was that if they do get shot they'll have to give them decent enough terms to make it palatable, and tie it up with a strongly worded NDA.

Totallymyownperson · 09/04/2018 21:52

Perhaps in the future they should have clause in the contract that says don't bring us any bad publicity. Won't Matter if your innocent or not.

mikado1 · 09/04/2018 22:02

Is it 'just' the texts though? Surely it's the bleeding, hysterical girl leaving, no?

Do they have an official code of conduct? E.g. the Teaching Council etc.

No word 're inadmissible evidence yet?