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Just when you thought the LibDems couldn't out-crazy Labour...

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BloodyFreezing · 29/03/2018 00:13

See what they are re-tweeting:

twitter.com/LGBTLD

(Not sure how to link to the exact tweet but it's the Cole Zachary one).

There really is no one to vote for, is there?

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CircleSquareCircleSquare · 29/03/2018 12:50

Apologies but I misremembered slightly. He didn't organise to have Julie Bindel's face show up on a google search for smegma. No, what he organised for was to have the smegma that collects in the male 'neovagina' named as Bindel and have that spread across the net (the definition, not his neovagina smegma, though he is gross enough to have spread that across his keyboard).

If this is too graphic and disgusting for you, you can understand why the lib dems keep him behind the curtains these days. It's all at the link. This is the main influence manipulating the lib dems approach to trans. Labour are assholes but they have not yet plunged to these depths.

^
WHAT?

nauticant · 29/03/2018 12:53

what he organised for was to have the smegma that collects in the male 'neovagina' named as Bindel and have that spread across the net (the definition, not his neovagina smegma, though he is gross enough to have spread that across his keyboard).

In other words, just copying the Santorum campaign: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_the_neologism_%22santorum%22. Not even adding anything original.

Is there nothing these TRAs won't appropriate?

RosenbergW · 29/03/2018 13:00

Not sure if you didn't understand or if you're outraged. Sarah Brown, who was described at 12.27 this morning as "the person you need to talk to if you want this raising at the highest levels" by the @LGBTLD twitter account which represents the "Lib Dem party body for gender & sexual minorities", once tried to name trans women's neovagina smegma as 'Bindel' after lesbian feminist Julie Bindel. And all the rest I put up there, and so much more.

RosenbergW · 29/03/2018 13:06

I suspect that account may actually be run by Sarah Brown tbh. Political parties should be far more clear who is running their social media accounts.

Daff0dil · 29/03/2018 13:21

Its interesting timing given how desperately some TRAs want to prevent Brian Paddick (libdem) from meeting with groups of women.
I believe it will be much more productive at this point to expose how some people in the Libdems (& others in all parties) have contributed deliberately or inadvertently to the silencing of women's concerns.
I would think that a massive critical online response to either the LGBTLD account or LibDem Cambridge councillor Sarah Brown might be quite useful in some quarters...

Daff0dil · 29/03/2018 14:01

A woman at WPUK (London meeting) described how vociferously discussion is closed down on LibDem social media platforms and discussions with members. I don't think there will many surprises here as to which are the most powerful of voices as people start to expose this. What will be incredibly shocking, is the extent of the silencing & manipulation.
What is vital is to ensure that there is very clear focus on challenging the impact of some incredibly powerful TRAs.
As James Kirkup commented:
"the people responsible for the fear and abuse these women suffer are not representative of transgender people as a whole; the transgender population must be assumed to contain as wide a distribution of vice and virtue as any other group"
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

MonsterSister · 29/03/2018 14:06

Bugger, that's my local council. The local Conservative MP, on the other hand, is definitely applying actual thought to the issue rather than retweeting infantile one-liners.

I have never voted Conservative. I'm starting to feel I may have to.

nauticant · 29/03/2018 14:14

I'm reaching a similar point. I don't know what the fuck is going on but these days "progressive" groupings in political parties seem to attract abusive individuals who then are able to turn the environment toxic while others just look the other way. I would rather have to deal with plain bigots from 50 years ago who at least will be direct and honest about where they stand.

LittleLebowski · 29/03/2018 14:21

Monstersister that sounds like my area Sutton & Cheam. I used to deliver leaflets for the LibDem council so know a couple of councillors. I'm going to complain.

Daff0dil · 29/03/2018 14:23

For example, in a recent FB group where LibDem 'newbies' were trying to understand the issue of self id better. Sarah Brown helpfully explained about WPUK etc..

Members were advised about the consequences of 'transphobia'.

Just when you thought the LibDems couldn't out-crazy Labour...
RosenbergW · 29/03/2018 14:27

The Conservative Councillor for Westhoughton North and Chew Moor is a male who identifies as female:
mobile.twitter.com/ZoeKirkRobinson/status/889083918133194752

..and claims that Caroline Flint is transphobic for being concerned about men entering women's toilets and showers to illegally make illegal videos of women:
mobile.twitter.com/ZoeKirkRobinson/status/804375911281885184

Every party seems to have at least one trans activist in a prominent position who denies that women are a distinct class from males who identify as women and publicly accuses women of transphobia when they argue for safe spaces away from men.

Daff0dil · 29/03/2018 14:30

yes, I had noticed this too seems to be the case in WEP and Greens too.

I do wonder how much these individuals work together....

53rdWay · 29/03/2018 14:42

I have seen a LibDem activist guy I know gleefully posting stuff on soc. media about how TERFs are just jealous of trans women’s newer vaginas, and I am not even kidding. LibDems lost it for me some time ago.

(Hey remember when they espoused the free expression views of liberalism, where you could disagree with what someone said or believed, but defend to the death their right to say and believe it? Ha, that was a laugh.)

RosenbergW · 29/03/2018 14:42

The tories were also influenced in forming their trans policies by male who identifies as a woman and one-time Conservative candidate Tara Hewitt:
mobile.twitter.com/Tara_Hewitt/status/965682325211303937

Tara was also the equality and diversity advisor for Wirral and a pro bdsm advocate while being against lesbian couples adopting or having access to ivf.

RosenbergW · 29/03/2018 14:53

.. and the greens have Stella Gardiner, or "auntystella" (aka "greenstella" and too many other names to list due to frequent meltdowns on twitter and elsewhere). Stella once claimed that women who argued for safe space away from males are “extremists and enemies of all women!":
www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/when-i-was-raped-it-was-female-only-spaces-helped-me-recover

..and although again he has scrubbed the Internet of some of his worst misogynistic tirades, he still has frequent bursts of 'evil terfs are trying to deny my existence' type nonsense all over the place, followed by flounces and deletions. He is also responsible for frequently spreading libellous claims against Miranda Yardley in order to try and discredit them as a trans person critical of trans activism.

53rdWay · 29/03/2018 14:55

What is this “aunty” shit?

UpstartCrow · 29/03/2018 14:55

I think its the case that organisations and political parties have been infiltrated by people with an agenda.

The agenda is abusive, and seems designed to drive people to the Right.

RosenbergW · 29/03/2018 14:57

What is this “aunty” shit?

I have often wondered this but it creeps me out in a 'I'm your kindly male aunty, come and see my puppies" way.

Daff0dil · 29/03/2018 15:06

UpstartCrow
The agenda does indeed seem to drive people to the right, whilst also silencing women.

In the midst of Carol Caldewaller's long read about Cambridge Analytica is this interesting quote:

"A few months later, in autumn 2013, Wylie met Steve Bannon. At the time, he was editor-in-chief of Breitbart, which he had brought to Britain to support his friend Nigel Farage in his mission to take Britain out of the European Union.
What was he like?
“Smart,” says Wylie. “Interesting. Really interested in ideas. He’s the only straight man I’ve ever talked to about intersectional feminist theory. He saw its relevance straightaway to the oppressions that conservative, young white men feel.”

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 29/03/2018 15:10

I can't believe this conversation!

mobile.twitter.com/LGBTLD/status/979347107688611840?p=v

Are these politicians? Or have their kids got hold of their Twitter feed? Where are the grown ups? Shock

NotShuttingUpOrSittingDown · 29/03/2018 15:11

Daff0dil that is freaky and making me feel a bit tinfoil hatted.

HomeTerf · 29/03/2018 15:20

Unreal Certain

Assuming it's not a spoof account, the upside is that it's exposing the TRAs as the utter fools they are.

Have they forgotten that they need people to vote for them? Or do they think that in this brave new world they just have to stamp their feet and demand seats in parliament?

OvaHere · 29/03/2018 15:29

It feels like (and I might be wrong here) that most of what now stand as official/semi official twitter accounts have grown from smaller issue based groups within all the political parties.

They've been left to flourish because either the main party reps haven't had a good handle on social media or view them as more niche issues that they don't know enough about.

For example The Labour Autistic Network twitter account that was set up in January, it's not blue ticked nor is it transparent who runs it or what qualifies them to do so.

To my mind the process should be along the lines of, we want to run a SM account to encourage neurodiverse people into politics as part of a wider campaign, these are our clear aims and objectives, this is the person chosen to run the SM and here are their qualifications to do so.

At the moment it seems anyone can set up an account affiliated with a political party and conflate any number of political issues using the account as TLAN did with posts about TWAW.

Nobody seems to be stepping in to regulate any of this with some accountability.

Daff0dil · 29/03/2018 15:38

NotShuttingUporSittingdown, yes... I have been closely examining my bonce a lot since reading it. I can assure you that I have no taste for such millinery but the quote did rather jump out at me last week.

It is a very very complex picture I'm sure... requiring careful and nuanced consideration.