Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges

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Verdict just returned
Not guilty to all four accused, all unanimous decisions.

confuddledconfuddle I’m male

confuddledconfuddle I’m male

That was painfully apparent from your first comment.

Toosweet30 Not if they beat the absolute shit out of me

If a man is accused of rape, and can be placed at the scene... can the posters convinced that most if not all mem who are accused of rape are guilty, give an example of the sort of evidence that would persuade you the man was not guilty and did not deserve a lengthy jail sentence ?

See, I believe none exists really.

It was posted on broadsheets.ie but subsequently pulled

Should say I asked for my post to be withdrawn as I hadn’t considered mumsnets attitude to it being on their page and if as a Uk website they’re subject to certain restrictions so didn’t want to put them in an awkward place

Nah you just like it rough.

Like the woman and her bruises and her 1cm torn vagina in this case I assume.

In other words, do you have the courage to admit that what you really want is a system where a females testimony is all that is required to convict a man ?

tootsweet30 You have a good day. God bless all. Goodbye

Sorry I will reword my post

I had guessed but just shot of a post - I do apologise - but the sentiment still stands

So in you case gay or straight?

Cremlin last weekend you had a 1 nightstand - these two guys heard about it. You smiled at them walking past. They knew you were up for the craic last weekend so followed you into the toilets and did as they pleased. You did it last weekend sure and you did lead them on smiling at them.

If you are straight :

You touched another male on the arm, patted him on the back, that's a sign you want to be with them - right? That's what they argued in this case! So why shouldn't they follow you and have sex - after all you lead the way to the toilets.

See it's irrelevant what you did before hand - the outcome is the same! You had non consensual sex!

"Yet apparently her facebook's full of naughty photo's and video's of herself? When she consents she doesn't generally seem to care who sees what? But now she's shy all of a sudden?"

^Sorry I forgot the face, I was trying to point how how contradictory people are being. She was a "dirty slut", but she was terrified of being caught being slutty?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43595049

Angelsoul2k15uk
confuddledconfuddle I’m male

You appear to have absolutely no idea of how consent works. I will make it even more simple. I had lots of casual sex when I was young. One night I went home with a beautiful man I had just met. I was in his bed, naked , he had an erection and I decided I didn't want to have sex.

Do you know what he did? He stopped, gave me a hug and told me it was far too late to walk home and I might as well stay. We went to sleep and in the morning he made me breakfast. He understood what consent means.

One time I got drunk on a night out with friends and went back to an after party in a different part of town. I was so drunk I put my bag down in one room and then forgot where I'd left it. I had to search a few rooms to find it and it turns out I'd left it in a bedroom. I collected it, ordered a taxi and went home. There were several men there and none of them raped me. True story.

@CarrotyO imagine - being able to walk around bedrooms without having to have sex with multiple men!

CarrotyO that’s obviously made up. Everyone knows that walking into a bedroom in a house party is code for “I’m up for anything with anyone - multiples welcome!”

Ikr. To think that I don't share the view that being in an enclosed space with a male automatically means I should be open to being violently penetrated by him.

Ladies, please.

We all know the code. If we want sex with multiple men, we go and 'collect our bag from the bedroom'

Everyone knows that real rape is from a stranger, with a knife, in a bush, and with a church going teetotal, conservative dressing virgin

I got raped in a shared house, with other men living there who probably would have helped me if they'd known. I could not scream. I was paralysed. Why is this so hard to understand? I had gone back there voluntarily. I had stayed up and chatted to his housemates. I had consensual PIV sex with a condom. He anally raped me the morning after without a condom.

It seems to me no matter what kind of evidence the prosecution can produce the defence will always have some rediculous excuse. Like the woman liked rough sex if there is bleeding and bruises. If there is film of him having sex with her unconscious she consented to it before she went unconscious. I'm surprised there is anyone convicted of rape

Did anyone bother to ask the men what indication she had given she was consenting? Why are the men who inflict injuries not grilled on their thought processes and behaviours regarding consent? Ok so apparently they are so warped and confused by this pornsick culture that they "presume" a woman they have just met is up for sex with them - no conversation necessary to determine this - but did she consent to sex acts so rough they made her bleed for 24 hours?

Why are these men not charged with ABH? Even if she had consented to sex that doesn't give them the right to inflict internal injuries on her does it?

Sorry @Ereshkigal (flowers)

So many men are incapable of recognising women's bodily autonomy and boundaries. Our pain and discomfort barely registers with them.

There are so many rape and abuse situations where I simply cannot see how you could ever get a prosecution. That's what is so infuriating here. There is so much evidence. It is so disheartening. Understatement.

Even injuries mean nothing.

Many people who have done jury service probably share my fear of seeing the system in action. People's reasoning is scary. Combine that with rape myths and I have no faith in the system in rape trials.

Sorry that happened to you Ereshkigal.

We need a public inquiry into rape, victims are being traumatised by the judicial system. With so few prosecutions rape is effectively legal and men know that. If rape laws are only producing a conviction rate of 7% then clearly the law needs to change.

In other words, do you have the courage to admit that what you really want is a system where a females testimony is all that is required to convict a man ?
No-one wants that. And that is very very far from what currently happens so not likely to ever be the case.

I want a system where the complainant isn't put on trial. I think rape myths should be banned as a defence (So use of phrases like "cry rape", "act like the perfect rape victim", "regretted it later")
In fact ideally I would like it for the defence not to be able to suggest the complainant is lying without evidence of such. I.e. bad character evidence or witnesses suggesting she regretted it. Maybe the same rules of hearsay should apply to the complainant as the defendant if they are going to be in the box for 8 days.

I would like the "reasonable belief" clause scrapped as I don't think the belief of the offender is relevant. If he's not sure he has consent he should keep his penis in his pants.