Ulster Rugby Rape Trial - Not guilty to all charges

[Quimby]

Verdict just returned
Not guilty to all four accused, all unanimous decisions.

@Angelsoul2k15uk she doesn't have to be a church going angle to say no and be listened to.

I have went to plenty of parties does that mean I deserved to have men have sex with me if they wanted.

I have went upstairs with men, like she did, does that mean I had to have sex with them?

I can count on 1 hand the amount of sexual partners I have had, I have no idea how many guys I have went into another room with. That means shit going upstairs! She can go where she likes and still say no! She can be as much of a slut as she likes and still say no! She can judge other girls and still say no!
She can do whatever she wants, run down a street naked and rub herself up and down loads of men and still say no!

You are contradicting yourself, saying she can say no but then saying she is not shy... and so that means something..?

Now you're being wilfully stupid. Your focus on what she did with her bag being the most odd thing.

@NotTakenUsername I can't take on feminist name as I get infuriated by trans argument (which we won't derail thread about)

I understand a lot of it and see why and completely get it, but I also believe in trans. It's taken to far in my opinion.

I believe in equality, respect and freedom to be who we are

So her behaviour is not typical of most adults as if I was having a party in my house I’d like to know just who is attending.

I can assure you it's very typical of teenagers (young adults) to go to house parties without specifically having been invited. Were you ever one?

I understand a lot of it and see why and completely get it, but I also believe in trans. It's taken to far in my opinion.

There are plenty of feminists who agree with you. Not all people who identify as feminists are gender critical (my disagreement with them and you notwithstanding)

LassWiADelicateAir I’m sorry if I offend u. I’m sorry u think my post to be claptrap as I do not agree with your opinion

What is the point of this apology? I am not "offended", never said I was "offended"

You are rambling on about her not being a "church going angel" , which is so irrelevant as to whether or not she was raped; fixating on her bag ; again irrelevant. Fixating on her going upstairs- again irrelevant. A person can start off deciding to have sex and still change their mind at any time.

What you're saying, @Angelsoul2k15uk, is that women's past behaviour is an indicator as to how likely she is to lie about having given consent, is that right?

There's a BBC report that a juror has tried to justify the verdict on comments section of a newspaper. If it's true they are in shit trouble.

Yes someone mentioned it earlier.

It's irrelevant if there are times I said yes.

It is typical young adult teenage behaviour to go to parties. I am more GAA scene and yes often went to parties of people I didn't know, particularly when in Belfast. If they didn't want her there, why did they not ask her to leave?

The point is this girl is saying what happened was not consensual.

So if one of the guys I said no to, had of done what he wanted anyway. It was my fault as I went with him. I expect to have my wishes respected. Like any decent human should do!

It's another argument what the boys thought - but you are arguing the girl has done something wrong when she hasn't! She was not asked to leave a party. It doesn't matter what she wore, it doesn't matter what she drank, it doesn't matter where she went with the guys, it doesn't matter if she changed her mind halfway through, she felt it was not consensual and that is all it comes down to. I will support any girl in acting anyway she wants to and wearing anything she wants to. She has done not a thing wrong!

That has no impact on what the boys have done - that is a different question when it comes to our laws.

Wow, Quimby.

Should say that link is the alleged juror comments

AssassinatedBeauty No it doesn’t. But this case is not Black or White. If I walk into a public toilet in a tube station in London. I’m followed by two men who physically assault me badly, then rape me. If I’m on cctv walking into the toilets and the two men walking in behind me. It’s quite black and white.
However this case is not. So to try to find the truth all facts need to be considered not just the fact the girl says she was not consensual. Oh so let’s just accept it and hang the men she has accused.

However the behaviour of the girl has to be taken into account prior to the allegations to try to understand all the information to decide if she was consensual or not. You have stated you have went many times into a bedroom with guys and kissed. That’s fine, and when you said No further that is your right. However was there times you said yes?

What on earth has that got to do with anything ?. If you say "yes" you consent.

I will try and keep this simple for you.

Can you imagine the situation of a prostitute? To make it really easy for you let us imagine one standing in a red light area, wearing a tiny skirt, see through top, killer heels and loads of make up.( no "church going angel") Let us imagine she agrees a price with a punter- say £20. Let us imagine she takes the punter up a dark alley. Let us imagine the punter unzips himself but she changes her mind. He carries on anyway- she has been raped.

Oh so let’s just accept it and hang the men she has accused

I think you'll find we haven't had the death penalty for rape since Georgian times.

Angelsoul has had a shitty boring life where he has never been to an after party on a whim after a night out. Other people have a life, get over it.

That juror is a fucking idiot.

@Angelsoul2k15uk but maybe you flashed a bit of leg at those men and winked going past them and they knew from last week you had a 1 night stand with their friend. So that's ok - they were within their right to have sex with you. As you were a good time girl last weekend

Quimby what forum/ site is that? If that is really a juror I hope they are hammered for it.

CarrotyO Yes mate perhaps I have had. I’ve never went to someone’s house uninvited, Ive only had consensual sexual relationships with people I care about.
I make no apologies

@Angelsoul2k15uk do you have a check list of rape myths that you're ticking off here?

Yes, all the evidence needs to be considered. What she did beforehand is not relevant. That's not evidence, it's character assassination.

And the question should be, how did the men involved know for definite that she was consenting? What actions did they take to guarantee she was actively consenting? But of course all the emphasis is on whether the woman can prove she didn't consent.

Well angel soul based on your own comments I think it's far more likely you decided to have gay sex with the two random men you met that day and were so embarrassed that people might find out you were gay you lied and said you were raped.

Or does the shame excuse only work for men who rape women?

But there are other facts, Angel, she had blood on her clothes and there was blood on his bedspread. She had a 1cm tear to her vagina. The taxi driver remembered her being distressed and saw the blood on her trousers. The WhatsApp messages from the 'men' involved stated she was hysterical and it wasn't going to end well! How much more 'evidence' do you need?