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Brian Paddick asking for feminist views on Self Id

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DarthArts · 26/03/2018 21:16

Fair play - he's asking for opinions.

He's being pointed to a woman's place and a lot of other GC women and Transpeople.

Brian Paddick asking for feminist views on Self Id
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SmurfOrTerf · 26/03/2018 22:07

I thought he implied he should have been given a place in a woman's refuge, so not hopeful.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 26/03/2018 22:10

Ralf Little said he wanted to hear the GC side of the argument so loads of people painstakingly explained our concerns to him at the end of which he announced that we were all a load of transphobic bigots (or similar)

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 26/03/2018 22:10

So you think he would attend a Women’s Place UK meeting?

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 26/03/2018 22:10

Do*

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 26/03/2018 22:11

TallulahWaitingInTheRain

Ralf Little said he wanted to hear the GC side of the argument so loads of people painstakingly explained our concerns to him at the end of which he announced that we were all a load of transphobic bigots (or similar)

^^
I have a lot of time for RL but I didn’t know that. Was he nobbled by the TRAs after asking the question? I’m shocked he did that, what’s the point?

donquixotedelamancha · 26/03/2018 22:12

What's a Ralf Little?

I have no idea. It could mean:

  1. Brian Padick is about to star in a remake of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps.
  1. @TallulahWaitingInTheRain means Stuart Little and Brian Padick is about to set off in a toy car to rescue his bird friend from a Falcon.
  1. She means Rod Liddle and intends to commicate Brian Padick is a dick, but will become anti self ID.
UpstartCrow · 26/03/2018 22:13

He's got offers from;
A Womans Place
Man Friday
Critical Sisters
Posie Parker
Karen Ingala Smith
Debbie Hayton
Hope

They are all excellent spokespeople and should be able to explain the problems. He seems like most men, very clueless of women's lives so dismissive of the risks and needs.

donquixotedelamancha · 26/03/2018 22:13

Cross post with this:

Ralf Little said he wanted to hear the GC side of the argument so loads of people painstakingly explained our concerns to him at the end of which he announced that we were all a load of transphobic bigots (or similar)

As in the minor actor/football player?

busyboysmum · 26/03/2018 22:22

I think Neville Southall did the same.

Winewinewinegin · 26/03/2018 22:22

I think it's unfair to dismiss people as clueless and dismissive when they have just asked for a discussion to understand women's POV. I also think getting off twitter and discussing things is a much better way of doing things.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 26/03/2018 22:25

Royle family chap. I prefer the Stuart Little version though

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 26/03/2018 22:29

Was he nobbled by the TRAs after asking the question?

He was pretty gleeful about it iirc. It was more like: there, I've listened so now I've earned some kind of licence to say nasty things about you.

But I agree that there's no reason at this point to assume paddock has a similar motivation. I'm just feeling a bit scarred atm, ignore me.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 26/03/2018 22:30

*Paddick!

Pythagonal · 26/03/2018 22:30

I wasn't surprised at the conclusion that Ralf Little came to, he seems to be quite friendly with Jack Monroe.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/03/2018 04:22

The young person responding to him on Twitter (Jay) thinks that all humans start out with XX chromosomes. Um...

TerfsUp · 27/03/2018 07:51

Poor Paddick. Wanting everyone to bow down to his specialness and his special pain and to celebrate him and not getting it.

GenderApostate · 27/03/2018 08:06

Anyone who managed to get to his level without knowing humans can’t change Sex is a lost cause, or even worse, knowing that basic fact but choosing to ignore it.

Datun · 27/03/2018 08:10

Maybe he should do a web chat? He can't complain about the lack of feminists willing to talk here.

In terms of safety after domestic violence, as far as I'm aware, transwomen are already accepted in many refuges.

Perhaps someone who understands what refugees are like could help, here. But as far as I'm aware, there are several different ways to offer support. Some of them not necessarily in a group situation, or, indeed, being in the same place as the women at all.

One poster mentioned that counsellors can go to the person's house? Is that right?

It's not so much a question of denying support to transwomen, just tailoring it so that it doesn't impact in any way on the other women.

Of course, you could get in a situation where a transwoman demands inclusion in group therapy, for instance, for validation purposes. But at that point the exemptions could easily be invoked.

And just as easily invoked if they want to be an actual counsellor.

It feels to me, as though this demand for access to rape refugees, is either a deliberate attempt to incite, or dominate, which ever way you look at it.

WeAreGerbil · 27/03/2018 08:16

One women's project I know that works with women who have experienced abuse (not a refuge) provides individual support to TIMs but doesn't involve them in groups. Women at the project are very clear that they want a women only service (though this is in relation to men in general rather than TIMs). There seems to be very little discussion of this between providers, I guess people are scared.

BMacklin · 27/03/2018 08:18

Someone needs to tell him it Is a lot of WOMEN who have a problem with it not "just" feninists. I think it's dismissive.

LizzieSiddal · 27/03/2018 08:24

A lot of men are clueless and it’s a positive thing he’s asking for points if views from Feminists.

Nobody else has asked.

LizzieSiddal · 27/03/2018 08:25

BM but surely, at the moment it’s mostly feminists who are talking about this. So it makes sense to ask with them.

LizzieSiddal · 27/03/2018 10:08

I’ve just read his Twitter feed and he hasn’t got a clue has he.

It will be very interesting to see what happens!

MermaidHead · 27/03/2018 11:07

Chromazones....XX=Woman XY=Man YYY=Delilah...(sorry couldn’t resist!🤪)

misscockerspaniel · 27/03/2018 12:46

Brian Paddick is pro-trans - he appears on LM twitter.

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