Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times today

[MargeH]

Go Rod...

"My favourite politician, Harriet Harman, has come up with an ingenious plan, as is entirely typical of her. She has suggested that the next Labour leadership election should be contested only by female candidates. The men, she says, can “jostle” for the position of deputy.
This is presumably an attempt by Harriet to stop the macho bullies of Momentum winning the race. But there is a problem she may not have foreseen. Labour’s National Executive Committee recently decided that all-women shortlists can include people who identify as women but are not, actually, women. So the next leadership election may be your first and last chance to see Andy Burnham wearing a gingham frock or Sadiq Khan resplendent in a niqab. Men are endlessly inventive when it comes to getting their own way."

Thanks for that. Interesting:

"Two psychologists last month published a paper showing that in countries where women are least discriminated against, women are most under-represented in science, technology, engineering and mathematics. The percentage of STEM graduates who are female is twice as high in Turkey, Algeria and Tunisia as in Finland, Sweden and Norway. It appears that the more freedom girls have, the less likely they are to choose STEM subjects.*"
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And thank you, Tallulah

Rod, if you are reading this I particularly liked your recent article about raising the voting age to 47.

And yet in this country we see girls in girls schools choosing stem subjects to a greater extent than girls in mixed schools. Why might that be?
My own personal experience biases me strongly against any theory which ascribes different neurological characteristics to men and women. My ds is far more similar to me in the way that he thinks than he is to dh; he gets his asd brain from me (as my AQ score bears out)!

I don’t think there is an inherent genetic neurological difference between the sexes - the study I think is more arguing that children who perform well in private schools would do so regardless of where they went. But that an article on that topic managed to segue onto trans is an indication (to me at least) that it is starting to get noticed more for what it is.

Perhaps a bias pushing them? A bias against the "female" subjects?

I was at a mixed school but in the streamed set of boys and girls destined for university (when less than 10% of the population did) I was pushed into doing Higher maths as one of my 6 Higher subjects over Higher Latin despite being quite clear in my mind that the step up from Ordinary to Higher was a step too far for me. Despite getting extra tutoring I was absolutely right - I failed the Higher and got a (pointless) compensatory Ordinary grade.

Don't get me wrong, I hate a lot of idpol pomo 'leftist' twats - but the Alt Right identitarians are no better. For all of them politics is about expressing their emotions and sense of who they are. They all accept a hyper-individualist culture where everything is about how YOU feel.
They're two sides of the same coin.

In fact that's all politics - left and right - is now. All politics is identity politics. There's no coherent emancipatory project anymore. There's no strategic goals or grand ideals. There's no interest in changing economic structures. There's no class struggle. All we're all doing (me included) is click click clicking away in echo chambers designed to engage through adrenalised opposition like rats in a behaviourist experiment. We've bought all the junk and now it's our turn to become the product, with our opinions and sense of cheap virtue turned into a commodity. The more we click the more money they make. And we think our stupid voices and opinions matter. They don't. We're just data. We just drum up clicks for them - and sometimes we get to feel right and that's our little bit of cheese.

Keep click click clicking and getting angry about trans people on an internet forum. I'm sure the patriarchy will come crashing down as a result eventually ha ha ha.

We are all going to die one day. Hilarious, really.

If you’re supporting rod liddle I’d start to worry about the strength of your argument.
Notorious right wing bullying xenophobic racist twat . But if it suits your agenda then I suppose all that can be ignored
Double standards

@overnightangel

Most "terfs" aren't supporting him. He's clearly a knob.

However, he is entitled to his opinion, which people here are freely discussing. I haven't seen anyone agree with him 100% though.

That's because they identify as the representation of the working classes.

No wonder they think men can "identify" as women, then. I mean, they watched a Ken Loach film once and now they know all about the working class, so if Dave has spent the last few months dressing as Davina at the weekends then he knows all there is to know about being a woman. Right? That's how this works?

Clueless bastards.

MrsJoJo86's post is best read with 'Lust for Life' playing in the background a la Trainspotting.

It is just barely possible that the correlation with STEM fields is girls in single sex education, eh?

Yes

Baby

Sorry, Brandy

I sent this to the i:
You printed a good article on gender self ID in last Saturday's i. However I am concerned that you glossed over the aspect of children/young people transitioning. These children can now be offered puberty blocking drugs, hormones of the other sex, and surgery. (Some are taken abroad for this.) Anyone who has taken these drugs - they are sometimes prescribed for other conditions - will know how powerful and potentially damaging they are. Surgery is irreversible, except in the most superficial way.
It seems to me absurd and horrifying that these young people can be treated like this, especially when it has been shown that many with gender ID issues eventually settle comfortably into their own sex and sexuality. Contrast this with the plight of some women with debilitating gynaecological problems and who have completed their families, or who wish to remain child-free, who find appropriate hormone treatment difficult to access, and who are refused surgery on the basis that they "might change their mind".
Please do not publish my name as I work in education and could be disciplined or lose my job for expressing these views, which might well be considered "transphobic" - which is worrying enough in itself.

MrsJoJo86 id definitely Jon66

Perhaps they just identify differently on different days...?!

If you’re supporting rod liddle I’d start to worry about the strength of your argument.

Look at what Rod Liddle said:

Labour’s National Executive Committee recently decided that all-women shortlists can include people who identify as women but are not, actually, women.

Do you think that that because Rod Liddle is a notorious right wing bullying xenophobic racist twat that the above statement is therefore not actually true?

That Lily Madigan and Heather Peto, for example, are merely a figment of our imagination?

We are living in a world where politicians are falling over themselves to say that men are women if they say so, and where people are scared to disagree. We have seen women not only threatened but physically attacked for wanting to keep women-only spaces. We have seen venues harassed and threatened for allowing women to meet and discuss this.

Rod Liddle is an outspoken journalist who is not afraid to say that the Emperor has no clothes.

Of course we are going to discuss this.

Rod Liddle is an outspoken journalist who is not afraid to say that the Emperor has no clothes.

Or a gingham frock

Bloody hell. I reckon if you got me, Jon66, Shami Chakrabati, Rod Liddle, JK Rowling, Nigel Farage, BoJo, Emily Thornberry, Toby Young, Caitlin Moran, Miranda Yarley and even Jane bloody Fae in a room we'd be able to find some things we ALL agree on.

Who is Jon66?

Shape of earth. Opinions differ.

Rod Liddle is an outspoken journalist who is not afraid to say that the Emperor has no clothes.

Remember that next time he comes out with some misogynist rant. Because he inevitably will.