Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times today

[MargeH]

Go Rod...

"My favourite politician, Harriet Harman, has come up with an ingenious plan, as is entirely typical of her. She has suggested that the next Labour leadership election should be contested only by female candidates. The men, she says, can “jostle” for the position of deputy.
This is presumably an attempt by Harriet to stop the macho bullies of Momentum winning the race. But there is a problem she may not have foreseen. Labour’s National Executive Committee recently decided that all-women shortlists can include people who identify as women but are not, actually, women. So the next leadership election may be your first and last chance to see Andy Burnham wearing a gingham frock or Sadiq Khan resplendent in a niqab. Men are endlessly inventive when it comes to getting their own way."

I'm afraid the lefty media establishment is stuck on an improving the poor narrative that the rest of us left behind decades ago. As a working class person in the Guardian, you have two purposes: as a badge for one of their columnists to wear in a poverty porn piece; to be told you need to jettison your ill-educated ways about anything the lefty media establishment doesn't like, such as single sex services. You could never be perceived to have opinions and agency of your own that would be of any interest at all.

And that's why we're dependent on columnists like Rod Liddle - transactivists have already gaslighted the press with their 'IPSO code of conduct' ensuring that every sex offender who transes can never be outed or their past crimes recorded. So much for a free press!

Well, I'm going to 'out' myself and say I support far more of what Rod Liddle stands for than the sanctimonious garbage spouted by the likes Toynbee, Abbott and Chakrabarti.

I guess that makes me a SJWist Is that a hate crime?

MargeH,

On the contrary, people here will respect you for being yourself.

As a working class person in the Guardian, you have two purposes: as a badge for one of their columnists to wear in a poverty porn piece; to be told you need to jettison your ill-educated ways about anything the lefty media establishment doesn't like, such as single sex services.

I wonder if they'd even be capable of realizing how condescending their tone is, if it was pointed out to them. Probably not.

Oh, right. So it's absolutely fine to get into bed with racist, misogynist bigots who support ethnic cleansing so long as they agree with us on self identification. Where's the dividing line?

I don't see anyone asking MNHQ for a live webcast from Rod Liddle; or for WPUK to book him to speak. Being in bed with him would imply his active involvement with the campaign.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day- the fact that he is commenting on this issue is a sign of it's rising prominence. I agree with every word Gnu says about Liddle, but I still think the attention is good.

Please don't use the 'right wing' tag as an insult....we're actually on the same side (common sense) on so many issues which affect women and children.

Yeah, this. Half the country votes Tory (of those who can be arsed to vote). I might view this as Turkeys voting for Christmas, but I respect their right to disagree with that.

A small, but vocal, number turn many people off MN Feminism by name-calling everyone who doesn't agree with them. Does that sound like anyone else we know?

I would much much prefer that protection of single-sex spaces was an issue that was supported by the Guardian and the Labour left. These are the places that I feel comfortable with. I have been a Guardian reader and a Labour Party supporter all my adult life. But if the Guardian and the Labour Party are going to sell women down the river, then I will have to take my allies where I can find them.

Also, how do you (Gnu) propose that we stop Liddle writing about this stuff, if indeed we wanted to do that? Or is the idea that he writes what he wants (which I assume he'd do anyway) and we automatically condemn it even if in this particular case we think he's right. So, like, Ron Liddle says that kicking puppies is bad, and we all go "I refuse to be associated with this awful man and will not participate in his anti-puppy-kicking campaign"?

So it's absolutely fine to get into bed with racist, misogynist bigots who support ethnic cleansing so long as they agree with us on self identification.

I really can't understand why you think that having the same opinion as someone on one subject suggests that you share all their opinions. Ethnic cleansing, for example, has absolutely nothing to do with self-ID. Why on earth would you link the two?

Do you think you might share the same view as Rod Liddle on gravity? Evolution? Whether the earth is flat? If so, would this be the wrong opinion to have? How is this any different from sharing a belief that you can't change sex just by saying so?

I think this attitude is one of the main reasons why we are in this mess. Otherwise intelligent people, who know damn well that women don't have penises, are pretending that they can simply because someone has told them that that is the 'right' opinion to have. Common sense has just gone out of the window.

It's scary to see the extent of the brainwashing. Public figures are falling over themselves to show that they are complying with the 'right' thoughts, when they know that it is not only nonsense, but dangerous.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities (Voltaire).

How can a women's college ban the word woman?

You’d be surprised. The local maternity unit here has been bollocked by TRAs for the fact their leaflets mention women. Apparantly that’s trans exclusionary!

I think this attitude is one of the main reasons why we are in this mess.

Yep. I read those comments thinking "this is why the left can't have nice things, like a general election victory", because so many people are more worried about being right on than being right.

Love the way fems are now crawling up the arses of right wing scum like Liddle, Peterson et al. You'll be gushing over Richard Spencer next.

The world is currently mental. I had a scroll through two pages of posts and there was possibly one that wasn't trans related. This has turned into a neurotic obsession hasn't it?

Not sure you threw quite enough misogyny into that comment, Jo, maybe you should try harder? Really let it all out there in terms of what you think of women.

Unless you're absolutely certain that Corbyn is going to win the next election then we need both Conservatives (party members and voters) and centrists on board

I don't want Corbyn to win the next election.

I wouldn't want Corbyn to look after my cat after his recent performances, never mind run the country.

Liddle is NOT right wing. He's a disaffected Labour member, not a Tory or a Kipper.

I've said this before but I'm still confused by the devotion some have to Corbyn. Even before I started to see specific issues with him the gushing enthusiasm was a bit weird and too Dear Leader like for my tastes.

Corbyn is a useful stooge. The really scary prospect is the idea of McDonnell ousting him and taking over as PM in an internal coup.

Anyone here old enough to remember Ken Livingstone and the GLC?

I've just rejoined the Labour Party to fight on a number of issues I find they are lacking in. Including this one. No way do I want to see Corbyn being the next prime minister. He always was and always will be an intellectual lightweight.

MargeH

I like your honesty. I hope you appreciate mine.

Marge he's so not a feminist. He thinks prostitution is great and regularly opines about how women are making too much fuss about sexual assault. He's the Daily Mail with legs.

This trans stuff is driving you into some very odd alliances. Just sayin.

Andrew Gilligan is the journalist who broke the "dodgy dossier" story re the Iraq war. Serious stuff. Google him.

Odd alliances defeated apartheid.

I do appreciate your honesty. What I can't fathom is the groupthink approach that seems to have come out of nowhere in the last couple of years. No, thinking about it, that's not true. Social media has a lot to answer for. If they didn't have Twitter and FB, would the TRAs and others have such influence?

Social media? More like social bullying.

Yeah Marge I agree, these internet echo chambers that don't tolerate any deviation from the bog mind are just so bad. What can be done I ask you?

*borg mind