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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How do I fill in this form about ‘gender identity’?

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53rdWay · 23/03/2018 10:30

Have to complete a form for work. One of the questions is this:

Gender identity
1)
a) I live and work in the same gender role to that assigned to me at birth
b) I live and work in the opposite gender role to that assigned at my birth
c) prefer not to say.

a) my gender identity is the same as that assigned to me at birth
b) my gender identity is the opposite to that assigned to me at birth
c) prefer not to say.

This is a web form. One of the answers must be ticked, & there is no space for comments. So I could tick box c) for both - but I would indeed prefer to say exactly what my problem is with these questions!

Am thinking of refusing to do it and sending back a brief explanation of what my problem is with this (not least that we’re in an area that has had big problems with recruiting/promoting women - thank heavens for all those women who battled their way through rather than working in the gender roles assigned to them! FFS.)

What would you say?

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Elendon · 24/03/2018 10:56

The start of your reply should be that gender identity is not confirmed at birth.

What is confirmed or revealed is the sex of the baby.

ForalltheSaints · 24/03/2018 10:59

You appear unhappy at completing the form. So refusing to do so and explaining to HR seems an appropriate option.

Elendon · 24/03/2018 11:01

So what if a couple had a male at birth but decided to put the following:

Sex: Male
Gender: Female

I think safe guarding would be triggered.

Catatlarge · 24/03/2018 11:05

I thought the whole point of the ‘gender brigade’ was that there are more than two genders.
So why does it say ‘opposite’ in that form?! That implies that there are only two genders.
They are being contradictory in their own form.
I don’t believe the whole non binary hype, however if someone did identify as non binary then they wouldn’t be able to answer.

I’d refuse. And send an email saying you are female/male (whichever you are, I’m assuming female)!

TheGoldenBough · 24/03/2018 11:10

No, no one mentioned gender when I had my 2 babies either and I actively rejected 'gender roles' too.

They both had dolls, kitchens, tea sets. They both had train sets and cars. They both had blue bikes. Neither wore pink clothes. They both learnt to use the washing machine by 3. They both learnt to bake cakes from being 2 years old. They both had the opportunity to attend dance lessons, swimming, sports and they both learnt musical instruments. They both had a performance arts hobby.

They both climbed trees, learnt how to collect firewood and build/light fires. They were both encouraged to be creative and arty and could wear whatever they wanted.

I have one boy and one girl. No one assigned them a gender role. Or told them they must/couldn't do something because they were a boy/girl. I didn't have different expectatons of behaviour or define/explain behaviour differently due to their sex...

As a result, they are both pretty gender non conforming and gender critical. Which is how I think it should be. They each like things that are 'typically' associated with their sex and they both equally like things that are not 'typically' associated with their sex.

They have friends who are incredibly 'gender conforming' in their appearance, interests, hobbies etc but these are people I've known since the children were in nursery and they grew up with a lot of "boys don't..." and "girls do..." and have accepted it as a natural law. When it is not. It was very much driven by the parents and taught much as anything else was.

And they would both have something to say to you if you started talking to them about 'gender roles' being 'assigned' to them.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/03/2018 11:13

I don’t believe the whole non binary hype

I think it's so obvious that gender is not a binary that there is no need for hype. I'm a person with a unique personality and set of aptitudes and interests. Just like everyone else.

Tinycitrus · 24/03/2018 11:21

I sometimes look at the videos posted on here showing young trans people and I wonder what the hell we are doing to our young people.

They seem so utterly confused Sad

TheGoldenBough · 24/03/2018 11:32

I agree, Tiny.

Would be so much easier if we just let peole express themselves in their interests and appearance without having to explain it away like this.

Yes, a boy can wear make up. No, it doesn't mean he's really a girl.

Yes, a girl can be a mechanic. No, it doesn't mean she's really a boy.

Why does this 'gender' idea have to be so rigid that it makes more sense to physically/hormonally alter children/young people than it does to accept that boy/girl doesn't restrict who you are as a person.

I let my son have long hair that he wore in bunches at nursery and recently taught him how how to apply his own nail polish neatly. I can't help but wonder if I'd followed a "but boys don't wear nail polish or have long hair" if he'd have gone down this path...

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