How do I fill in this form about ‘gender identity’?

[53rdWay]

Have to complete a form for work. One of the questions is this:

Gender identity
1)
a) I live and work in the same gender role to that assigned to me at birth
b) I live and work in the opposite gender role to that assigned at my birth
c) prefer not to say.

a) my gender identity is the same as that assigned to me at birth
b) my gender identity is the opposite to that assigned to me at birth
c) prefer not to say.

This is a web form. One of the answers must be ticked, & there is no space for comments. So I could tick box c) for both - but I would indeed prefer to say exactly what my problem is with these questions!

Am thinking of refusing to do it and sending back a brief explanation of what my problem is with this (not least that we’re in an area that has had big problems with recruiting/promoting women - thank heavens for all those women who battled their way through rather than working in the gender roles assigned to them! FFS.)

What would you say?

Ooh and look what I just found: hurrah for Wikipedia!

'Socially constructed gender roles are considered to be hierarchical, and are characterized as a male-advantaged gender hierarchy.'

So by engaging in a survey using the language of gender roles, don't you automatically comply with male advantage/female disadvantage? Is this really a hierarchy a work place should be enforcing? And what if you don't agree that anyone choosing a female gender role should be disadvantaged? Or can you 'opt out' of your female disadvantage as soon as you tick the 'male gender role' box, and female disadvantage is a preference/masochism thing?

sex is body parts and unimportant to how you feel and present.

Pretty sodding important to how I’m treated, though, which is what I’d want HR to care about. When I lost a previous job because of pregnancy, that had sod all to do with how I felt deep down in my consciousness.

Inclusion got added on to Diversity in HR starting about ten years ago, they all use the same old Stonewall script.

Orange you're wrong and you're a big stirrer.

I love how 53rdWay thinks a passing trans woman comes out college and goes for a job and the employers goes your gender is female but your birth sex says you where wrongly assigned male at birth. Your sex organ gets you 20% more money.

People it's the Gender Pay Gap not Sex Pay Gap. As feminists we have been fighting the Gender Pay Gap for decades.

Honestly, honestly, honestly, I calculate the gender pay gap for a living.

It's the SEX pay gap. SEX is the protected characteristic. We can't count 112 gender expressions, that's nonsense. We count SEX.

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen
Do transwomen out of college get paid 20% more than cis women?

As I said before, I don't know what 'work in the same/different gender role' could possibly mean. Other than that whoever asked the question actually believes we should still think in terms of 'men's jobs' and 'women's jobs'.

A traditional example of male gender role: Men must not cry.

A modern example of male gender role: A male person is allowed to believe that he can be female, because he feels "womanly".

I love how 53rdWay thinks a passing trans woman comes out college and goes for a job and the employers goes your gender is female but your birth sex says you where wrongly assigned male at birth. Your sex organ gets you 20% more money.

What on Earth?

I talked about pregnancy discrimination. But yeah, please do totally ignore that, am sure women losing jobs and opportunities and promotions due to pregnancy has sod all to do with us getting paid less

I love how 53rdWay thinks a passing trans woman comes out college and goes for a job and the employers goes your gender is female but your birth sex says you where wrongly assigned male at birth. Your sex organ gets you 20% more money.
There are already surveys showing men reassigning to the female gender are statistically paid less money.

Geijtenbeek, L. and Plug, E. (2015). “Is There a Penalty for Becoming a Woman? Is There a Premium for Becoming a Man? Evidence from a Sample of Transsexual Workers.” Institute for the
Study of Labor (IZA). IZA DP No. 9077

ftp.iza.org/dp9077.pdf

I love how pomo addled people assume we are all clueless.

It's a badly written form, even from the point of view of trying to be accepting of all views.

What if you don't accept gender at all?

What if you live one but work another?

What if it changes every day?

What if you find the word "gender" very triggering?

What if you're intersex?

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen

Hence Gender discrimination and Gender Pay gap. Gender is how we are judged not our sex organ that people and see when applying and working a job.

Gender is how you feel and present to the world it's how people see you.

Orange can you answer my questions?

orange. Seriously. I lost a job because I was pregnant. Don’t gaslight me about reproductive organs being totally irrelevant to how women are treated.

Gender is how you feel and present to the world it's how people see you.

So why then can you get into trouble for assuming gender?

sex is body parts and unimportant to how you feel and present

Correct.

Personality is how you feel and you may wish to communicate this by how you present.

Absolutely nothing to do with offensively assuming all employees at a particular firm are followers of the gender identity cult.

dekfiji

They left out the other option for people that identify as zero gender and nonconforming people as I said earlier you should bring up the omission with HR.

Is there a gender ID for teaching your granny to suck eggs?

Teaching grandmother to suck eggs is an English language saying meaning that a person is giving advice to someone else about a subject of which they are already familiar (and probably more so than the first person).

The reality of the disparity between men's and women's pay is that much of it is absolutely because of our sex (and those aspects of gender role arising directly from our sex) - namely that blokes are useless at bearing and breastfeeding children. Women are still discriminated at the starting gate and in consideration for career advancement because of the 'she might get pregnant' thought. It's not supposed to happen but of course, it still does. Women are disadvantaged in their career progression because of being the ones who have career breaks because of being mothers. The fact that far more women than men do the post-breastfeeding childcare, inc. part time return to work is gender - but it arises from biology.

Yy Errol.

53rdWay
And trans women loose jobs because they get outed and the bosses are bigots.

Shitty bosses are shitty bosses unfortunately you where employed by one just as many trans women are too.

Ah see I thought the pay gap was about dresses. The babies women have birthed and fed over thousands of years have not in one way impacted the way we are viewed in the work place.

Also if it’s gender only - wouldn’t that be transphobic in of itself? Transmen can have babies, are they not then impacted in their career?

orange you haven’t answered my question about biology.

orange are you seriously dismissing my experience of sex-based discrimination because “trans women lose jobs too”? Seriously?