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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

James O'Brien now

588 replies

LemonadeWithACherry · 19/03/2018 10:08

James is going to be discussing trans issues today on LBC. His show is on now - not sure what time the segment will start, but should be good!

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womanhuman · 21/03/2018 11:23

As the week has gone on, I’ve gotten angrier and angrier at JOB thinking he can go into the changing room with his girl.

We keep the changing rooms men-free to keep all our girls safe. My 8yo knows that if there’s a man in the changing room or toilets, she’s to leave. Please god, don’t ever make me have to unteach her that!

DoctorTwo · 21/03/2018 11:38

I have just tweeted him advising him to Google Shrodinger's Rapist. Hopefully it'll at least make him think.

Lottapianos · 21/03/2018 12:23

'As the week has gone on, I’ve gotten angrier and angrier at JOB thinking he can go into the changing room with his girl. '

Same here. The absolute nerve of him, demanding that he be allowed into the women's changing space because he says so. And any women who questions this is made to feel like some kind of fundamentalist nutter, because NAMALT and poor men and their hurt feelings. Take her into the men's changing rooms with you if you have to.

Terftastic · 21/03/2018 12:38

I'm getting increasingly annoyed with the dismissal of women's concerns over sexual assault/voyeurism etc.

Nicky Campbell on 5Live said it was a "0.00001% chance" - how exactly does he know that? Has he any idea how many women are sexually harassed and assaulted?

Has he never seen the lengths predatory men will go to, to gain access to their victims? ID'ing as a woman is easy - say compared to joining the Priesthood. Look at the sports coaches, the scoutmasters, the music teachers who have recently been found out to be abusers. That's hard work - compared to simply saying "I feel like a woman".

And I think JOB is a bloody disgrace going into women's changing rooms with his daughter. My DH would never dream of doing that.

Battleax · 21/03/2018 13:23

Nicky Campbell on 5Live said it was a "0.00001% chance" - how exactly does he know that? Has he any idea how many women are sexually harassed and assaulted?

Of course he’s a cheesy DJ but randomly inventing statistics is so so wrong and more than a bit smug.

Plenty of real statistics here;

rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

Time we all start deploying facts against these jokers maybe?

Lottapianos · 21/03/2018 13:24

'Nicky Campbell on 5Live said it was a "0.00001% chance'

What a twerp

Men just don't have a clue, do they? They think they know it all, but they know jack about this. They have no clue about the prevalence of perving, leering, sleaze, creepiness, all the way up to criminal behaviour. Women are on alert for this kind of crap almost all the time, and with very good reason. And yet men like these are fine with telling women to get over it and stop hurting men's feelings, and basically stop being hysterical and get back in your box. We've heard it all before, but it doesn't get any less infuriating

Battleax · 21/03/2018 13:24

And I think JOB is a bloody disgrace going into women's changing rooms with his daughter. My DH would never dream of doing that.

That too. I was gawping at the radio at that bit. The sheer self satisfied entitlement of the man.

HomeTerf · 21/03/2018 13:31

You'd think #MeToo would have at least put an end to thick misogynists like JOB saying 'I just don't think there are the numbers' when it comes to the sexual abuse and harassment of women. 4.7 million Facebook users posted it in the first 24 hours last October.

mirialis · 21/03/2018 13:35

Yes, I was raising my eyebrows at him going into the women's changing rooms with his daughters because he doesn't want to leave them "alone with adults". They are a whole lot safer from perving eyes (or worse) in the women's changing rooms if NO MEN of any sort, including JOB, are in there! And that is aside from the fact of outrageous arrogance displayed by him in thinking we all have to put up with men in the female changing areas because he has daughters.

If they are that young that they need supervision, why would he not take them into the men's changing room?

DontCisgenderMe · 21/03/2018 13:36

Copying and pasting something I posted to Hannah about JOB on another thread:

I emailed after the show - once to the station to complain that your account of women's fear of male violence was questioned, asked for numbers, NAMALT etc, whilst the TIM's fear of male violence was immediately accepted, sympathised with and no mention of NAMALT.

The other email was direct to JOB, thanking him for the discussion and giving him some further points to think about. It was in a similar vein, but all phrased as questions to try and walk him through it eg,

'you objected to a woman seeing you as a potential rapist, but not to a transwoman seeing you as a potential transphobe. Why was this?'

'you take your daughter into women's changing rooms. Why don't you respect women's boundaries and privacy?'

'why don't you take your daughter into the men's changing room? Do you feel it is inappropriate for her to be getting undressed in front of men?'

'why don't you want your daughter to be alone around adults in a changing room? Do you feel that she is vulnerable when she is getting undressed?'

'when your daughter is a teenager and shopping alone, do you think that she should undress next to male-bodied people who don't want to use the men's facilities?'

'what should be done to make the men's facilities safe for all male-bodied people to use?'

I just really want to get it out there that if TIMs say they can't use men's facilities, that is because it is MEN who are the violent transphobes. It is not women beating them up in the Gents! Men's attitudes have to change.

The solution therefore has to come from men acting, speaking up and making their facilities safe and welcoming. It is ludicrous that men are telling other men to use the Ladies. It's just an admission that 'yeah, all blokes are violent transphobes and we're not going to do a damn thing about it'.

Lottapianos · 21/03/2018 13:51

'They are a whole lot safer from perving eyes (or worse) in the women's changing rooms if NO MEN of any sort, including JOB, are in there! '

Well you know that, and I know that, but we will be drowned out by JOB's cries of NAMALT and how dare you paint all men as rapists and women can be 'just as bad' and all the other claptrap.

mirialis · 21/03/2018 13:56

Which begs the question, why would he not take them into the men's changing rooms with him instead if NAMALT and women can be just as bad.

Good email Don'tCis - wonder whether you'll get a reply. Let us know if you do.

Lottapianos · 21/03/2018 14:01

His daughters are 9 and 11 by the way. They're not toddlers. I'm not sure why he needs to be in changing roomS with them at all, but if he's feeling overprotective or whatever, then USE THE MEN'S!!!

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 21/03/2018 14:17

How thick is that man to sympathise with the TIMs wanting to get away from violent men in the loos yet argue with women wanting to get away from violent men in the loos? He is so STUPID!! 😡😡

nauticant · 21/03/2018 14:19

He goes into the changing room with his daughter because he wants to make her shopping experience all about him.

womanhuman · 21/03/2018 14:23

Can you imagine being the poor Saturday assistant in shop who would try and stop him?

Jesus.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 21/03/2018 14:26

Men only want women to protect themselves from attack when it involves curtailing women's behaviour, doesn't really affect men and women can be blamed if they did/didn't do those things - so walking home alone, skirt length, drinking etc.

As soon as women take steps to protect themselves that would put out a man in any way, so not coming up for a drink, talking about #metoo, not wanting TIMs in female only spaces, it's all NAMALT.

Its so bloody transparent!

derxa · 21/03/2018 14:39

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Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 21/03/2018 14:49

Don't forget JOB is a big fan of Fox and Owl. Owl has had surgery.

Pratchet · 21/03/2018 14:52

It's just men feeling sorry for men who had their willies cut off, in that case. We can't possibly tell them it was all for nothing 🤔

HomeTerf · 21/03/2018 14:53

Spot on Ellenripley

Battleax · 21/03/2018 15:25

Don't forget JOB is a big fan of Fox and Owl. Owl has had surgery.

Who?

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 21/03/2018 15:29

Pratchet Youch.

JOB must feel uber macho.

Thing is for many, many lovely people like Jayceedove and Kristina etc. it wasn't all for nothing for them, it's who they are.

There are some people you can't really admire for they way the handle it, like Jenner doing the corset shot at 68 years old, women that age would be very unlikely to do that. And woman of the year. I would have admired Jenner more if he'd had the nouse to say no to that.

derxa · 21/03/2018 15:58

It's just men feeling sorry for men who had their willies cut off, in that case. We can't possibly tell them it was all for nothing That's something I had never thought of.

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