James O'Brien now

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James is going to be discussing trans issues today on LBC. His show is on now - not sure what time the segment will start, but should be good!

Labourlose: yyy. His 'so I would be punished because some men are rapists' is nauseating.

JOB isn't worried about his job. He's worried about his brand. His brand as a right-on brocialist who's also ace at doing feminism.

He is a nob. His daughter is right though, she told him men can't be women. Sadly the only woman JOB listens to on this subject is Fox. Fox who does photo shoots of girls in binders for magazines.

Paris Lees isn't really lying.

Self identification to get a gender recognition certificate will only really benefit prisoners and men who want to get all women shortlists.

The other things, Swim England, girl guides, locker rooms and changing rooms, enable men to self identify as women because of the equality act.

And that's not what this thing about self ID is.

What has happened, and what Lees neglects to mention, is that the issue of self ID has highlighted the flaw in the equality act, which is being exploited.

Which is why I held on for an hour on the phone, as I wanted to tell O'Brien why he's confused.

If paris has been using womens facilities for years with no problems then clearly the system works ok as it is. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

And LabourLostMe he's too stupid and self-obsessed to realise that keeping men out of changing rooms will PROTECT HIS DAUGHTER in the long run. He's so busy staging the martyred 'caring dad' charade - 'wahhh, mean wimmin are stopping me spending innocent quality time with my little girl!!' - that he hasn't thought ahead to how he'll feel in a few years time when his daughter goes swimming by herself/with her mates and finds some hairy-arsed bloke watching her through a gap in the cubicle curtain. (Obviously it's too much of a stretch for him to think how his daughter will feel...)

Datun, what about women's refuges? Are they exempt from the Equality Act?

Self id as a concept is completely ridiculous anyway, and will harm women and transwomen alike.

JOB was trashed by his fans after the way he spoke to Posie. I think he realised he seriously misjudged popular opinion and today was his attempt to eat a serving of humble crumble.

He really simpers over the transwomen though. I don't usually listen to him but it strikes me as being very out of character for him.

So far the approach has been to file discrimination charges against any women's shelter that does not admit males who identify as women in order to bankrupt them.

It seems that people like Paris fail to understand that the system mostly worked for years firstly due to courtesy and secondly because orgs like Stonewall weren't invested at that point in widening the umbrella of trans to include practically everyone.

The system began failing at the point TRAs started to tell women to worship their lesbian ladycocks and shut up talking about transphobic vaginas and the like.

It's called egregious overreach and I'm surprised that they assumed there would be no pushback to that. Guess it's that pesky male socialisation coming into play.

Apologies if this has already been answered, but does anyone have a link to listen to the show? I missed it.

Hi @NannyOggsKnickers

I like the analogy. I have another personal one.

Despite identifying as a mother, biology didn’t cooperate with me, even though I have all the right biological bits, they just don’t work for some reason.

From deciding to adopt, to being placed with a child was just under three years. I couldn’t just rock up saying I identified as a mother and be handed a child. I faced intense scrutiny of my mental, emotional, physical and financial health. My friends, family, employers, past therapist were all questioned about my fitness to parent. I had to attend training, read lots of books, demonstrate learning and understanding, fill in endless forms, have medical and DBS checks and go to endless meetings with social workers and go to two approval panels. None of which biological mothers have to do.

Family would get frustrated on my behalf. “Can’t they see you’d be a good mother? Anyone can tell just by meeting you.” But they can’t. They have to be sure you are robust and can deal with set backs. I don’t resent the intrusion, even though biological parents don’t face it, even though there were times I despaired of ever being placed and feared it would never happen, because it had to be right because you are dealing with big life changing decisions.

Those three years gave me time to be sure I wanted this and I was doing the right thing. If I could just fill in a form online I wouldn’t have been made stronger and more sure of myself and given the tools to cope.

HomeTerf yep, and his 'innocent face' nonsense claim of not being able to go swimming with his daughter anymore.

I'm sure he'd have some clearer thoughts on it if his daughters went on a GG trip and they shared accommodation with a man self-identifying as a woman.

Ellenripleysalienbaby

Datun, what about women's refuges? Are they exempt from the Equality Act?

Nothing is exempt outright. Like 'no men', full stop.

But exemptions can apply, if they are proved to be 'a proportionate means to legitimate aim'.

So yes, having a male bodied person, or someone who looks even vaguely male, would absolutely be a proportionate means to legitimate aim. Because the women there have been raped by men, so they can fuck off trying to counsel them. Or join in with group therapy sessions.

Women's shelters can invoke these exemptions. They are cracking under pressure.

The equality law, the gender recognition act, and human rights act, are all jockeying for position over how to manage this situation.

But.

It is public opinion that will count.

It took women 15 years to make rape within marriage illegal. And this was in the early 90s. And they had to have a law repealed, in order to do it.

The equality law is being exploited. Evidently.

The equality law needs to stop talking about a proportionate means to legitimate aim, and be reworded so that women aren't constantly on the back foot trying to keep men away from their spaces.

Someone on twitter should reply to Paris Lees. I would but I'm blocked. Loads of TRAs and MRAs have blocked me, despite me only ever interacting with one of them, a Dr Cliff something or other. And yeah, he blocked me too. Not fussed, but, rather like the gap between Paris Lee's lugholes, it leaves my timeline gappy.

Thank you Datun. I have to say I have been reading about this for a good while and I'm still quite confused on some aspects. Joe Public has no hope of understanding it!

I'm confused. If the system is working why do they want it to change?
Just for some magical thinking of being a sex you are not?

I bet all of JOBs handwringing questioning about 'the point at which a transwoman actually becomes a woman' would be answered right about the point at which a transwoman asked him to suck their 'female penis'.

We all know what a woman is and a man is. It's how we managed to evolve this far as a species.

The system is not working as desired but it is as designed. The GRA was not a serious problem until the 2010 EA made gender reassignment a protected characteristic in direct conflict with sex as a protected characteristic.

The equality law needs to stop talking about a proportionate means to legitimate aim, and be reworded so that women aren't constantly on the back foot trying to keep men away from their spaces.

This this this this this.

The system is not working as desired but it is as designed. The GRA was not a serious problem until the 2010 EA made gender reassignment a protected characteristic in direct conflict with sex as a protected characteristic.

Exactly, this is why it's not such a problem in Ireland, they don't have the same anti discrimination law underpinning it that we do.

Sex is a more protected characteristic than gender reassignment

I'm confused. If the system is working why do they want it to change?
Just for some magical thinking of being a sex you are not?

This is why the whole thing should go. Better Equality legislation could deal with discrimination but we shouldn't have this pretence that people can actually change sex.

Ellenripleysalienbaby

It's really confusing.

Because, up until now, it hasn't been a problem. Suddenly a whole load of fetishists, MRAs and chancers have decided to target absolutely everything that has the word 'woman' in it.

Hampstead women's pond, the vagina monologues, bra fitting services for adolescent girls, lesbian restaurants, feminist bookstores, women officer roles, etc.

You name it, they want to target it. Because they can.

They are claiming it's discriminatory, because it doesn't include people who are 'thinking about being trans' (And yes, that's more or less how the equality act wording frames it. Because they never dreamt in a million years that this would happen - duh).

So we are now in a situation where any bloke who want to piss off (or ogle) women can just say they are trans, and, according to the equality act, they are, and therefore they are protected.

It truly is a men's sexual rights charter.

And of course, nice decent man won't take advantage of it.

So what are you left with?

Sex is a more protected characteristic than gender reassignment

Trouble is "gender reassignment" is defined in such a woolly catch all way that it means self ID by the back door as no gatekeeping permitted as that would be discrimination.