James O'Brien now

[LemonadeWithACherry]

James is going to be discussing trans issues today on LBC. His show is on now - not sure what time the segment will start, but should be good!

This is a direct quote that clearly states that a proposal to undergo any part of a process:
Gender reassignment

(1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

(2)A reference to a transsexual person is a reference to a person who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

(3)In relation to the protected characteristic of gender reassignment—

(a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a transsexual person;

(b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to transsexual persons.

The one thing we do have to remember is that allowing self ID for the GRA massively legitimises the concept of "gender identity" and validates the ideology of transgenderism. It renders irrelevant the need to have medical gatekeeping, or that the basis for men to enter women's spaces is because of sex dysphoria. It also will normalise the idea of male bodied people in women's spaces.

These things are a big deal. They WILL make it much harder to unpick the Equality Act if the idea of "gender identity" is written into law. Transactivists know this. Don't believe a word they say,

Sex (which would include trans with a GRC) is a protected characteristic which allows positive discrimination. Gender reassignment isn't. That's why you can have all women shortlists.

Wrest: 'don't believe a word they say' amen to that. On it.

Wrest is erish - autocucumber sorry

No worries

HakunaDentata

I'm confused. If the system is working why do they want it to change?
*Just for some magical thinking of being a sex you are not?

They don't really care if it is changed or not. It only becomes significant in prisons and all women shortlists.

The fact that the government said they were going to change it made women wake up and ask what it was all about.

They knew things were happening, and couldn't work out why.

As soon as this issue became public, they drilled down and realised that actually it is the equality act that is making all the damage.

I think lots of them will get one if they only have to tick a box. And controlling narcissistic types will enjoy the extra legal threat they can hold over people's heads. Revealing that someone has a GRC is in some cases a criminal offence for which you could even go to prison.

So should we really be protesting the Equality Act Datun?

Though I agree with Eresh about the legitimisation. Just when I’m Twittering away and someone says that self-ID will literally change nothing, I find it hard to respond. And I like being coherent... though I discovered recently that even if you Tweet something that’s unintenionally not quite correct, most people don’t pick up on it.

There is a lot of confirmation bias in the world....

Feel free to share my post if you're not sure how to word it Trill! Ask yourself why transactivists are so very very bothered about pushing this through.

Though I agree with Eresh about the legitimisation.

Yes that's true.

Becoming a 'legal woman' shouldn't really even be possible.

It's a meaningless legal fiction that is allowing men to ride roughshod over women.

Frankly, we shouldn't all need to become expert in equality law. Ffs.

No, as Mumsnet has copyrighted, is a complete sentence.

Flaming where did you find it?

Karen Ingala smith's tweet on using "correct" pronouns:

"I am not going to participate in and/or help spread that mass gaslighting.

One of feminism’s key tenets is women’s right to say no.

We have the right to identify, name and desist malestream ideology and language."

Yeah. Fucking yeah. Women's right to say NO.

Men: Hey, I've always felt like a women. Like, since I was 3.

Women: Hell, no. Get out.

Men: But I like pink, and want long hair, and Barbies, and sparkly stuff.

Women: Still no. Get out.

Here's to gender non-conformity. Or conformity. But, hell, you cannot change sex.

Flamin, where did you find it please?

Sorry, Flamingo

I just shared the petition, to some controversy. I'm feel very disappointed that members of my family are much more stupid than I could ever have imagined.

Apparently calling for women to be consulted could harm people.

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Don't be disheartened - might be first time they've thought about it. Their mind will be bit more open to hearing news items etc

I got another two today, but going on holiday and will sign next week and said will be talking to people at work when back.

All helps, especially combined with press articles to help perople realise they've been comditioned to accept something they don't remember agreeing to.

Daring to say: sorry men don't turn into women.

(1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex

And very, very unfortunately, European legal opinion seems to suggest that 'other attributes of sex' include 'mode of dress'. Crazy.

But we're not screwed yet, as long as we keep pointing out the absurdity of it re prisons and women's safety.

I have to admit, it took me years to peak trans.

I've glanced at threads on trans since 2011 - and although I kind of got what feminists were saying, I didn't think it a serious threat to women's rights. I didn't understand.

I reckon I 'got' it about a year ago - whenever sparticus happened on MN. Whenever that was - I got it. Really got it. It takes some time to assimilate.

Thanks. I am deeply offended that people think there's such a thing as ladybrain. I've taken it personally.

have been lurking for ages. no one I know actually believes men can turn into women and women into men. It's politeness to say so. which is fair enough(being nice). except the situation has changed with the poss change in law, which removes the rights of half of the population (in law) to have the right to say when they feel uncomfortable or under threat. It's bad enough at the moment (we have all seen the stuff about grooming gangs). if we cannot express our views then we are not allowed to speak and are silenced. Do one half of the population want the other half to shut up so they have it easier to do what they want? I think they really do not have a clue what is going on. Sorry, I'm not making much sense. Still getting my head round it all.