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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Petition to ask for consultation on the effect on women and girls before making it possible for a man to legally become a woman just by signing a piece of paper.

52 replies

Testingnamechange1 · 14/03/2018 07:48

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

This is the petition.

There is a proposal (currently supported by all the main political parties) to make legally changing sex a matter of ‘self-identification’. At present it requires living as the opposite gender for 2 years and some form of medical consultation (although no treatment/surgery is required).

We are concerned that (in no particular order)

This will lead to women not being able to challenge men in their spaces.
People with male bodies on hospital wards with women.
Women’s sport being taken over by people with male bodies.
Rapists being housed in women’s prisons.
Data on crime, gender pay, health becoming less meaningful.

I know there are other threads on this but I wanted to create one with a clear title for when it appears in Active Threads.

OP posts:
Testingnamechange1 · 14/03/2018 07:49

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Clicky link ( hopefully)

OP posts:
Antigonads · 14/03/2018 07:50

Your link isn't clicky and the thread title is torturous.

Testingnamechange1 · 14/03/2018 07:53

Sorted the link. I tried for ages for a clear title GrinSad. Any better ideas?

OP posts:
Iminthecclubnow · 14/03/2018 07:56

Why do we have another thread on this already?

Antigonads · 14/03/2018 07:58

You could have gone with capitals.

WOMEN SIGN THIS NOW!!!!!!

I signed a few days ago by the way.

Iminthecclubnow · 14/03/2018 07:58

Oh, is it to make it clear what the petition is for?

afatalflaw · 14/03/2018 07:58

Presumably to reach as many people as possible? OK in my book on an issue as important as this.

BeyondDeadlySiren · 14/03/2018 08:07

That certainly is a clear title Grin

Testingnamechange1 · 14/03/2018 08:07

Yes Anti that might have been better! Grin

I don’t think ‘the self id petition is now live’ is clear enough to make someone not familiar with the issue click the link.

OP posts:
picklemepopcorn · 14/03/2018 08:08

Torturous would be the way in which the definition of woman is being eroded.

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 14/03/2018 08:15

Maybe:
Do you want men to legally have access to female spaces, No? please sign petition

RaininSummer · 14/03/2018 08:16

Signed already but the more people who see this the better.

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 14/03/2018 08:18

Once thread is opened - can say the bit about consultation - and pressure at universities and schools etc. and that a politically correct mindset is in danger of wiping out hard won women's rights and freedoms.

Patodp · 14/03/2018 08:21

Thank you for raising awareness about this very urgent issue OP.

Patodp · 14/03/2018 08:22

4163 and counting!

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 14/03/2018 08:22

Maybe start a new thread with shorter title - for benefit of people who don't have a clue we're not actually haters as Momentum style people are portraying.

I commend you by the way, not criticising, we want to bring to as many people as possible and want them to grasp it quickly.

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 14/03/2018 08:23

Do you want men to legally have access to female spaces, No? please sign petition.

That's my suggestion and only one line long, so should show in active conversations easier with grab attention tile.

picklemepopcorn · 14/03/2018 08:28

Is Jacob welcome in your safe spaces? Refuges, changing rooms, Guide camps...

www.playboy.com/articles/trans-objectification

Floisme · 14/03/2018 08:29

I agree about a shorter title but I think it should include something about consulting with women - which is all the petition is asking for.

My suggestion would be, 'Do you believe women should be consulted about laws that will affect them?'

Thanks for doing this!

cloudtree · 14/03/2018 08:31

signed

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 14/03/2018 08:37

Flo: plenty of space in opening para of thread to explain about consultation - need to be sure something grabs people's attention in a few words/fits whole line in active conversations.

Just my opinion though, not saying I'm right.

Testingnamechange1 · 14/03/2018 08:46

Yep. Should have consulted before I started Grin. I like respectable’s suggestion.

OP posts:
Floisme · 14/03/2018 08:48

Me neither! But I'm thinking about my own mindset only a year ago. A title referencing men in changing rooms, for example, might well have grabbed my attention then but, to be honest, I would have dismissed it as scare mongering and probably not even opened it.

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 14/03/2018 08:57

Yes fair point. Somewhere in the middle to be found I expect.

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 14/03/2018 08:59

I guess give it a go maybe with my suggestion if the OP likes it, then next thread _ as we will be carrying on - have title that doesn't scare the people off that are worrying scare mongering etc.

Hard road to navigate when the loudest voices are those on the TV and on the other side of the argument saying we are phobics.