Yet another abuse of girls scandal in Telford going on for 40 years!

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

Up to 1,000 girls repeatedly abused for up to 40 years in Telford. What on earth have the police and other organisations been doing?

There's a grey area with kids over the age of ten who should know right from wrong.

If you read Lisa Muggeridge and other social workers on Twitter, you'll see that various things, including and especially austerity, has meant that social work have basically abandoned child protection in the over 11s.

This, combined with the police attitude that these girls were not victims but rather perpetrators of criminal behaviour, is at the root of why these scandals just keep on coming.

"There's a grey area with kids over the age of ten who should know right from wrong."

You what?

Have I read this right?

You believe that girls over the age of 10 should know "right from wrong" and there is a "grey area"???

I can tell you that in LAW there is no grey area, children under 13 are deemed incapable of consenting to sexual activity.

I can also tell you that in society in general there is no "grey area" - 13 maybe, possibly 12, but primary school age, especially not even the last year of primary school, no I do not believe that there is a "grey area" around fucking girls this young many of whom will not even have reached puberty.

Of course some poeple will claim there is a grey area, some judges will decide that "she looks older" is a good enough excuse even with an under 13, some people on the ground will decide to "turn a blind eye" and victim blame and all the rest of it as is seen in this case,

However to say that there is a grey area with over-10s is incorrect - and to put it on the victims that they are old enough to "know right from wrong" when they are victims of a crime is out of order.

The problem is a toxic mix of misogyny, lack of resources, fear of being accused of racism, classism. Vulnerability of tranches of children. A systematic lack of ability to even begin to see these as victims as they were girls who were poor and sexually active - the police saw them as "little tarts" I have no doubt.

The law is CLEAR though, sexual activity with under -13 is a no excuses crime. And under 13 CANNOT consent to sexual activity.

Surely the main issue with these grooming gangs is how law enforcement overlooked the abuse of these girls out of fear that they would appear to be racist?

There may be white or black or multiethnic grooming gangs too but the big scandal with Rotherham, Telford etc is that the authorities did nothing for fear of challenging men from a minority group. Abuse of women and girls happens across the board among all ethnicities but there is only one ethnicity - South Asian Muslim - where police were / are afraid to challenge the perpetrators in case they are accused of Islamophobia.

If it were black men running grooming gangs against white girls, I'm sure they would have been all over it because black British men do not have the special protected status that Muslim men have. For some reason - culture, fear of terrorism, influential Muslims in prominent positions who are vocal in protecting their community - the South Asian Muslim community in the UK is protected compared to other minorities.

So am I getting this right? Girls between 10 and 16 know right from wrong but adult men don't?

I am still of the opinion that the mai driver here was misogny.

Plenty of other situations with mass sexual abuse by various groups where the victims were disbelieved, turned away, there was an institutional disinclinaiton to challenge the men because of who they were, some cases where the victims were seen as active participants.

This is a partcularly large and widespread issue which clearly has many facets to why no-one bothered to do anything.

It's not alone in this though.

I am not saying ignore the "scared to be racist" factor, but to be careful not to believe that this is a particular set of circs that hasn't and won't be repeated with other groups of perpetrators as that's not true.

"Surely the main issue with these grooming gangs is how law enforcement overlooked the abuse of these girls out of fear that they would appear to be racist? "

The main reason is that they thought they were consenting, proactive in the "relationships" - they saw them as "tarts" - off the rails girls who were running around with older boyfriends and getting in "trouble".

Do you really believe that all of the police, all of the social workers involved saw this for what it was - that children were being raped en masse - and decided that although it was obviosuly an appalling state of affairs and there were 100s of victims, they would cover it up and not say anything, to the extent of turning parents away when they sought help etc?

No - they saw them as "child prostitutes" not as victims at all, they weren't feeling that there was all this rape happening and they were powerless to act, they were feeling that these bloody girls were a PITA.

The authorities simply, and literally, failed to recognise that these girls were victims at all.

The police said of the story I linked upthread - " "We have been speaking with the family and will continue to do so we can fully understand their concerns"."

They STILL don;t really understand what the problem was.

I think it is really important not to minimise any of the facets basically (in no particular order)

misogyny
classism
fear of accusations of racism (possible issues in the community)

I guess what I should have said more accurately is that the the 'fear of racism' is what is unique to the on street grooming cases. Misogyny and classism also have a role to play but that could apply to any sex abuse scandal. Misogyny played a big role in allowing the Catholic Church cover up abuse of children for so long because women were not listened to and children born out of wedlock were shunned, for example. Fear of challenging the male perpetrators applied here too but it was fear of men who were thought to be without question because they were priests.

So these on street grooming cases are not devoid of misogyny and classism but what makes them unique is the fear of the authorities to challenge the perpetrators based on anxiety about racial prejudice. That unique aspect can't be ignored and needs to be tackled to stop these grooming gangs and make police more vigilant in future.

Just compare - a landlord serves alcohol to an underage girl as she looks older. 100% against the law crime has been committed his responsibility to ask for proof of age. Criminal conviction follows. Sex with a minor is a crime, a much more serious crime, how is it not held at the very least as a crime facing a criminal conviction.

That is a very good point.

Clearly the 16 or 17 year old has made her own mind up that she wants to drink alcohol. She is the one who approaches the licence holder and asks for the alcohol. The licence holder will have made no attempt to persuade or cajole her into drinking but none of that mitigates the offence.

This is all deeply shocking, and I’ve been reading all the comments and everything I can get my hands on online. And on YouTube too. I’ve just ordered ‘Easy Meat’ by Peter McLoughlin on Amazon, it appears to be the only proper analysis and investigation done so far. Why hasn’t the government and police ordered a full review into this crime and profiled it properly? Why has this been swept under the carpet? It’s not like the rings of abusers have been powerful, high profile celebrities or politicians that people are afraid of publicly exposing. Does anyone have any info about the political structures that run these towns and cities and have allowed this to happen? What political parties are running Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Newcastle, Oxford, Blackpool Etc?

@BakerBoys77

Pretty much all of those areas are run (unsurprisingly) by Labour...

Why has this been swept under the carpet? It’s not like the rings of abusers have been powerful, high profile celebrities or politicians that people are afraid of publicly exposing. Does anyone have any info about the political structures that run these towns and cities and have allowed this to happen? What political parties are running Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Newcastle, Oxford, Blackpool Etc?

As another poster has pointed out, these are Labour run councils. People must feel so let down by Labour, apart from Keighley Mp Anne Cryer, in these areas with regards to this scandal and by feminists. Where were the feminists?

When are people gonna wake up? All this rape jihad happens in LABOUR areas. We said Rotherham was the tip of the iceberg and look a couple of years later... it's everywhere... Newcastle, Rochdale, Telford... I can't imagine what's going to come out in Bradford / Keighley and Birmingham

All the details are in this book

www.mensenhandelweb.nl/system/files/documents/08%20feb%202016/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf

Oh and it's NOT just girls... 200 white boys were raped in Rotherham, 50 in Oxford... seems to be about 1 in 7. Four lads committed suicide at Bristol University after being raped while drunk above kebab shops

It's not just rape though is it? They torture them - punishment for being a kuffar

Read Jayne Senior's book or look at the report from Oxford

www.oscb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/SCR-into-CSE-in-Oxfordshire-FINAL-FOR-WEBSITE.pdf

11 year girls taken from care homes to extreme BDSM sex sessions which go on for DAYS

White parents in Bradford and Keighley have been demanding an Alexis Jay inquiry for years and the Labour MPs / council ignore them. Naz Shah even retweets 'girls in Rotherham need to shut their mouths for the sake of diversity'

Why does it feel like banging your head against a brick wall when trying to discuss this topic with feminists?
I understand moat feminists are middle class and, wrongly, think this issue could never happen to their family but the silence from feminists on what to do about it is deafening

*most

Well after some of the stuff I am reading recently I am starting to think that sex positive feminism has been infiltrated by the pimps and traffickers who control both the "ohh aren't we all happy and empowered sex workers making free choices" face of the sex industry as well as the criminal underbelly of grooming, trafficking and CSA that it needs to sustain it. Anyone speaking out is demonised as a SWERF.

I heard the phrase "youth sex worker" the other day and it made me feel physically sick. The words you are looking for are sexually abused child.

I also have grave doubts above t the complicity of the police in this. Especially in Yorkshire where we have seen scandal after scandal hushed up. They had all the information. Why didn't they act?

I would like to organise around this issue better. Besides supporting the demands for the enquiry what other initiatives might be helpful? Some sort of school based awareness training?

'school awareness campaign'

The book 'Easy Meat' shows how the police made an educational film called 'My Dangerous Loverboy' about how grooming works in 2008 and it was trialled in schools in Sheffield before never being seen again.

He says it was stopped from being shown by Unite Against Fascism. The same people who claimed, along with the Muslim Council of Britain, that the rape gangs were a 'racist myth'.

Sadiq Khan used to be a legal counsel for the MCB at this time. What did he know?

But again, where is the video for the boys?

Hi Libby, Trumpdump and AlpineFlowers,

Thanks for your replies. I’ve been going through a list of towns/cities where convictions for this crime have occurred, and gone online to see what their predominant political persuasion has been. And indeed, as pointed out, they are Labour strongholds. Jesus.

I also saw footage of Corbyn on YouTube reacting to the Sarah Champion Daily Mail article about grooming - The Great Leader of course not addressing the horrendous sex crimes committed, but instead warning that we shouldn’t ‘single out any one minority and blame them’!!! WTF?! Champion subsequently stepped down from the front bench (or was pushed?!) And as Libby pointed out, Naz Shah didn’t get any public punishment for the vile tweet she ‘liked’ and ‘shared’. Serious hypocrisy and double standards here.

I also managed to find an interview with Anne Cryer on youtube who said other Labour politicians knew about the abuse, hadn’t warned her and some even called her racistbwhen she tried to talk about it and stop it. The more I am digging in to this, the more I’m convinced Labour should be hauled over hot coals about this. Why turn a blind eye to it? What do they gain from portraying the Muslim communities in these towns as the victims, and wilfully ignore the plight of the real victims? They seem to care more about the hurt feelings and spoiled reputation of the Muslim communities these men haul from than the ruined lives of these poor victims and their families. What the f%^$ is going on here?!

It appears that any attempt to raise awareness about this has been historically shut down or smeared then. If the MCB and anti-racist organisations shut down Dangerous Loverboy, it was the police who got channel 4 to shelve ‘Edge of The City’ documentary from airing because they were scared it would inflame public anger and give fuel to the BNP during election time. They did air it, eventually. Three Girls has now been associated with the Darren Osborne case, and being touted as an element that radicalised him and inspired him drive into a crowd of Muslims. It’s like the government and media are trying to make it very unattractive and even threatening to address this problem seriously.
I’m so grateful to everyone who’s posted about this and pointed me in the direction of more information. I feel like I’ve been down a rabbit hole......

Couldn't agree more.

The Labour party turned the word racist into a weapon to silence people while they changed the country through mass immigration. And at the same time they were covering up racist sexual violence against CHILDREN.

Imagine if the Tories had done that.