Trans debate. What doe people want?

[PinkbicyclesinBerlin]

I live in a country with self id for trans gender people.

Last week for the first time I spotted gender neutral toilets in my work place. I used one of them because it is a fully walled toilet so no issue there. There are also male and female only toilets which I will also continue to use. Women cannot be treated by trans HCPs if it undermines their own dignity and if you go to prison it is to the prison of your birth sex not gender. As far as I am concerned these are some of the realistic limitations to put on self ID but I am not opposed to self ID in principle.

Is this the answer to self ID start lobbying your MEPs to have restrictions that work for everyone and ignore the loud trans narratives that only speak for a tiny minority of clearly misogynistic men and not all of trans women.

Are they particularly susceptible to pressure to be 'nice

To be accused of bigotry these days is about as bad for you as it gets. People seem happier to be accused of tax evasion and major crimes than bigotry. Thought crime indeed

I agree with your post, merrymouse.

I see TRA as a subset of MRA, they are not responsible for misogyny or sexism in society, they just benefit from it.

The current transgender movement is a magnet to such people and institutions in this country should be acting to both protect them and guard everybody else from them, not capitulating to them. All our institutions are taking the worst, most damaging, path possible.

I completely agree with this. Being a vulnerable person doesn't stop you being a misogynistic arsehole.

This ideology is capitalising on the misogyny that we still have in society.

Feminists have made reasonable grounds with changing laws. But it was evidently a bit of a sticking plaster solution.

There is a feminist theory that as soon as women start making grounds, the backlash is swift and brutal.

It's no surprise that this ideology is a magnet for misogynists everywhere.

Being called phobic and bigoted is so utterly debased now it's laughable. I can't take it seriously. I think as long I am not attacking anyone irresponsibly I am not acting badly. Robustly refuting things I know are incorrect is just fine, after all we get paid to spot mistakes and put them right at work, not to just go along with misguided plans.

I know I am not afraid of trans people so anyone calling me hateful or phobic is simply being lazy of thinking and experiencing an episode of group think.

I really don't believe it's as many people as you may think, the truth is most people haven't realised this yet (growing daily) and the growth in understanding will lead to more pushback.

The rights imbalance has slid in under the radar for many, we must calmly push it back to the right level. Change is like this, extreme single issue lobbyists shift things one way and it does spring back once the majority start reasserting the normal balance.

In a way the Stonewall monopoly on transgender rules for everyone - no debate - is very like Section 28. Silencing.

It is galling having to remind people why single sex segregation is important but that's not going to be a surprise to the vast majority of the population. Self ID wipes that out legally and I do not agree that we have to legally fight for every inch of privacy back, it's not going to happen that way, that's not really how legislation should work.

No. I do not consent. No is the whole sentence.

These silly cis women are the minority, they just don't realise it yet. Tell them to keep away with their modern day Section 28 silencing of women.