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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:05

"If you’re a Mum and on mn that often to have time to engage with ‘feminist’ forums, you’re more likely to be a ‘stay at home mum’. These are bored middle-class women putting their privileged Uni-educated thoughts to oppressing a small, vulnerable, oppressed sector of society"

Nice bit of sexism going on there

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/967731110322036736

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BrandNewHouse · 25/02/2018 14:06

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 14:07

Hey neverfallingforitontwitter. I follow you on twitter.

Welcome to the bored crappy neglectful housewives club.

Have some Gin and Cake

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TerfsUp · 25/02/2018 14:07

Ali "professional handmaiden, reasonable rates" Wilkin since you're reading - what is fairer place/tt? I've never heard of it / them.

And, hey, all y'all fellow terfs - how come there was no election for "terf leaders"? Is this a democracy or what? I would have thrown my hat into the ring if only you had let me.

sulks

Brazenhussy0 · 25/02/2018 14:08

Ha.

Well, I’m a full-time sex worker, not a Mum, not middle-class (in fact the opposite; grew up in extreme poverty), and I’m studying for a STEM degree in my 30s.

Wanna talk about vulnerability, being a minority and oppression?
Come at me bros.

Alternatively, we could discuss the concerns women have with gender self-ID and the extremely worrying trend of ignoring scientific reality, rather than waste time with pointless mud slinging…

ALunerExplorer · 25/02/2018 14:09

I'm already aware of the book and its author too, (whose distinctly tenuous relationship with integrity where his sources are concerned will, I'm sure, eventually become his undoing). And I'm not entirely sure why you are taking this so personally. I wasn't even replying to you - I was replying to NotTerfNorCis and your name wasn't mentioned once.

cista · 25/02/2018 14:10

In a weird way, I wish I was as deluded as Helen.

It's quite sad though, she's done so much in order to make her son happy, but she clearly isn't happy herself Sad

DullAndOld · 25/02/2018 14:10

ye I wish , in fact I am living in poverty after raising kids alone.
Silly woman. Is it a woman?

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2018 14:12

“The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill convictions but to destroy the capacity to form any.”
― Hannah Arendt

“Under conditions of tyranny it is far easier to act than to think. ”
― Hannah Arendt

“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

“One of the greatest advantages of the totalitarian elites of the twenties and thirties was to turn any statement of fact into a question of motive.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

“The net effect of this language system was not to keep these people ignorant of what they were doing, but to prevent them from equating it with their old, "normal" knowledge of murder and lies. Eichmann's great susceptibility to catch words and stock phrases, combined with his incapacity for ordinary speech, made him, of course, an ideal subject for "language rules.”
― Hannah Arendt, Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil

“There is hardly a better way to avoid discussion than by releasing an argument from the control of the present and by saying that only the future will reveal its merits.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

“the last century has produced an abundance of ideologies that pretend to be keys to history but are actually nothing but desperate efforts to escape responsibility.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

“True goal of totalitarian propaganda is not persuasion, but organization of the polity. ... What convinces masses are not facts, and not even invented facts, but only the consistency of the system of which they are presumably part.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

“The outstanding negative quality of the totalitarian elite is that it never stops to think about the world as it really is and never compares the lies with reality.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

“Evil thrives on apathy and cannot survive without it.”
― Hannah Arendt

“Good can be radical; evil can never be radical, it can only be extreme, for it possesses neither depth nor any demonic dimension yetand this is its horrorit can spread like a fungus over the surface of the earth and lay waste the entire world. Evil comes from a failure to think.”
― Hannah Arendt, Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil

“... Half of politics is "image-making", the other half is the art of making people believe the image”
― Hannah Arendt, Crises of the Republic: Lying in Politics, Civil Disobedience, On Violence, and Thoughts on Politics and Revolution

The trouble with lying and deceiving is that their efficiency depends entirely upon a clear notion of the truth that the liar and deceiver wishes to hide.
Hannah Arendt

Education is a bitch.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 14:12

I'm not taking it personally. I was answering a post. I don't think this is disallowed is it? But righty-ho, won't bother in future

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sallyandherarmy · 25/02/2018 14:12

Fascinating.

Before I accidently found MN, I had a vision in my head of the posters being like Jeremy Kyle contestants.

Nothing that I have seen/read on here has erased that image.

When I want/need an escape from Real Life, I just pop on here and read the 'stories'.

Yep, definitely an episode of JK everyday.

It never crossed my mind that 'educated' women would use this place.

Surely not? Why would they?

Come to think of it, I know of no-one, in my RL, that uses MN. And I think they would be shocked/surprised/mortified if they found out that I do.

So I tell no-one. No-one.

Omgineedanamechange · 25/02/2018 14:13

Well, I work full time, my DD is an adult, and Ive never seen the inside of a university much less studied at one. Oh and a close family member has been down the trans route, and is now detransitioning. So how does that fit in with mermaids horseshit.

JustTerfingAlong1 · 25/02/2018 14:14

Well I'm a bored, uni-educated, SAHM, middle class white woman. So I guess whatever I say is worthless.
Except I have a close family member who is TRA. And I've seen the lies, and the re-writing of history, and the self-obsessed narcissistic tantrums. And they work in techa and are autistic, true to the stereotype Grin

I've also struggled with body image problems and am an anorexia survivor. Oh and am an ex science teacher so have experience of the youf Grin

So I reckon I might have a few insights worthy of interest to a few people?

exLtEveDallas · 25/02/2018 14:14

Well, she's certainly got me down to a tee (not).

A full career in the British Military including numerous war zones.
Retirement
Boredom
2nd career working with troubled families (who are far more marginalised than the TRAs)
Working class roots
Didn't go to Uni
Raised two fantastic and very Gender Critical kids.
A husband that peak transed before I did.
Blocked by Liar Madigan
Terf-blocked for months
A disappointed ExLabour member (who is clinging on to the hope that sanity might prevail).

Oh and very much a woman - a real woman, none of the Cis bollocks those blokes like to spout.

They do like their stereotypes don't they?

neverfallingforitontwitter · 25/02/2018 14:16

Ha ha, same. I just remember Helen calling Mumsnet a hotbed of pearl clutching dissent ( or something similarly kind :)
#LoveWins

ALunerExplorer · 25/02/2018 14:16

If you think you can shame me into not allying with other women who have different political opinions on other issues, you are very much mistaken

Those were your words in your reply to me Assigned. So like I said, don't take it so personally.

Although if you do decide to go with a policy of ignoring me from now on, it won't be any skin of my nose.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 14:17

So I tell no-one. No-one.

NOOOOOO-OOOONNNNNNE

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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neverfallingforitontwitter · 25/02/2018 14:18

Hi there! Thank you! I think I'm going to like it here.... x

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 14:19

Thank you Lunar. That's kind

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Datun · 25/02/2018 14:19

what is fairer place/tt?

I suspect that is fair play for women and transgender trend.

fairplayforwomen.com/

www.transgendertrend.com/

DaisyDrip · 25/02/2018 14:20

sallyandherarmy Clutches my (never worn) pearls.

holycheeseplant · 25/02/2018 14:20

Datun

I'm realising more and more that many of the reasoning and beliefs people who think like this hold are cobbled together parroted words and ideas without any true understanding of the terms or historical context or wider social contextual impact. This (education) being a complete case in point.

neverfallingforitontwitter · 25/02/2018 14:20

Thank you! Will do!! Smile

CountFosco · 25/02/2018 14:21

Also the TIM who says on that thread
"And of course they don't realise we designed and built the chips that live inside their smartphone or tablet.."
Because we have been staying at home raising babies while the brave TIM was doing STEM.

Is he identifying as a man there? Also, those chips would be fuck all use in our mobile phones without Hedy Lamarr's work.

Elendon · 25/02/2018 14:22

A disappointed ExLabour member (who is clinging on to the hope that sanity might prevail).

I've just rejoined to ensure that sanity will prevail. I've decided I don't give up that easily. I never have done and I won't now.

ThatEscalatedQuickly · 25/02/2018 14:22

How bored is Helen if she has time to be keeping up with Mumsnet threads? Just can't resist when she spots any reference to herself I guess.

FWIW not a SAHM. Senior level, full time, very demanding role, DH likewise. Juggling that with kids and all that goes with it. No time to be bored quite frankly.

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