This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters

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"If you’re a Mum and on mn that often to have time to engage with ‘feminist’ forums, you’re more likely to be a ‘stay at home mum’. These are bored middle-class women putting their privileged Uni-educated thoughts to oppressing a small, vulnerable, oppressed sector of society"

Nice bit of sexism going on there

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/967731110322036736

I'm delighted as I've clearly irritated them; they've called me a cunt on Twitter. Lovely how they can't present a rationale argument and so resort to pathetic insults isn't it

I actually joined MN on the advice of my childs school. I had gone along to the opening day type thing, and they had a screen presentation and that that was boring stuff tbh, but right at the end there were a few 'support' websites posted, and mumsnet was one of them. The teacher said that it was a great place to get support and advice and just..chat to other women. When I posted my first thread, in AIBU, I was slaughtered and I remember thinking its definitely NOT the place for support But I have really came to love the place. Its so odd, having a female focused space to chat. So different to everywhere else that I have found. So many intelligent posters, yes some trolls, but no more than on other sites.

The school endorsing MN made me think that a lot of the teachers are probably on here too. I find the thought of them swearing like troupers and being very blunt in answering people hilarious tbh

You can always rely on the men to take credit for every effing thing any woman ever did.

I have been wondering for a while now how the people in authority like schools and police departments are going to respond when they find out the training Mermaids provided them is a pack of lies they are now violating the law on the basis of presentations by a gay child conversion therapy organization.

Water off a ducks back Turnip. I used to be the sensitive type but find that nothing they hurl at me dents the armour at all. Quite refreshing.

I have found if you just keep politely at your point and ignoring the silliness that one or two of them will actually start to engage. Until that is they realise that whoops they don't have any rational reason to disprove anything I've asked. The fall back position has been to say the idea of any nasty people misusing Self ID is "far fetched".

As for the toe rags that call themselves Mermaids, they have to be stopped before any other unfortunate child suffers.

Helen, I actually think there is an element of Jeremy Kyle here. I am getting laughed at by friends and family over being outraged over politicians agreeing that men can get pregnant, being scared of tweets and gangs of TRAs hitting pans with wooden spoons wearing gimp masks.

I think of kids being steralised so can't see the funny side.

This will not end well for kids, the Trans community or politicians.

Reading the sneering about being university-educated quite frankly makes me want to go and sign up for a Phd.
Me too.
I dropped out of high school to go to work in 1962.

Sally

Come to think of it, I know of no-one, in my RL, that uses MN. And I think they would be shocked/surprised/mortified if they found out that I do.

Get better friends, yours sound shit and ridiculous.

I think what pisses me off the most about this sort of thing is how easy it is to put women on the defensive. The conditioning of a lifetime is damn hard work to unpack and even when you think you are close to sorted you knee jerks to defensiveness.

Haha .. but seriously, you are really transparently showing your politics with your handmaidenly put downs of women who don’t agree with you.
As it happens I work full time. I MN at work in breaks when I can for a little bit of sanity, much like women at home with their DC probably do too.

3rd ruse of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

I am a single mum with two DC, one with additional needs, and I have three degrees.

The idea that being Uni-educated is a put down and way of silencing legitimate debate among women is fairly sinister, I think. It harks back to nineteenth century ideas that if one educated a woman, she would become ‘manly’, her ovaries would shrivel and this was no good for the future of the ‘race’. So by calling us uni-educated, it chimes with an old discourse that educated women are not ‘womanly’. That was meant negatively then and should be read negatively now. Not proper women.

On the other hand, educating a woman was seen as a waste of time because they would just have children and waste their education. Women were meant to be in the domestic sphere bringing up children. So again, the SAHM comment aligns with ideas that (biological) women’s place is in the home and therefore she should not speak on matters of public import. Whereas TIM’s are read as male, even when they are doing their best to outwoman in an advertiser’s dream fashion (and I don’t mean washing the whites whiter than white, but with the lipstick and heels), they are not doing the shit wife-work because they are not that kind of woman.

The final point is that Uni-educated being a slur aligns with push to shut down debate on campuses. If we have been taught critical thinking in relation to sex and gender, it is much more hard for our academic peers to teach the same to students today.

Should add, if it makes a difference, that I also work full time. When a man does what I do day to day, then he might earn the right to call himself a woman.

She must've had pretty pliant kids to think that SAHMs generally have too much time on their hands...oh, wait..

great post emyroo x

I can't help but wonder how and with what the nodebate authoritarian transgender advocates are threatening MN.

Now that people are fact checking them we are beginning to see their flop sweat.
I expect it to get worse.

And of course they don't realise we designed and built the chips that live inside their smartphone or tablet..

I wonder who the "we" is here? Does that TIM really think there's no women in STEM?

And who, pray, was the first computer programmer, hmmm? (Spoiler: not a male of any description.)

Ada Lovelace...

The 'first chips that live inside your smartphone tablet' wouldn't have been designed and built by one individual anyway. It would have been a team effort, based on the work of other teams. Yes, most of the people involved would have been men, that's how the tech industry is in the West. It sounds like one was a TIM. Still a man, though.

And of course they don't realise we designed and built the chips that live inside their smartphone or tablet..
I suspect this veiled threat is in reference to the extraordinarily large number of AGPs who work in tech fields and for tech companies.

When I looked, that tweeter on about chips etc seems to promote women in stem. And has gone on about a TIM who created a chip in most phones.

All a bit side tracky to be honest, they're saying that "threat" is from a film - either way, it's a thinly veiled threat tbh. I'd never dream of quoting such a threat to someone; it simply doesn't occur to me personally. So I personally find it an intimidating tactic.

I'm not bored, uni educated or a stay-at-home mum. I mn in the evenings instead of reading books because I'm too thick, what with my lack of education

Hi Helen 👋

Keep up the good work. Your twitter feed is comedy gold!!!

Honestly your doing a great job helping other women peak trans with assertions such as puberty blockers not being dangerous and rapid onset gender dysphoria not existing.

Don't let small things like facts, science and research hold you back 😂

The quote was:

I've got one thing to say to them.. One Zero One Zero Zero. With that I could steal your money, your secrets, your sexual fantasies, your whole life. Any country, any place, any time I want. We multitask like you breathe. I couldn't think as slow as you if I tried.

That does come across as extremely threatening. But in this case I think it was a naive quote from an obscure disaster film, without the person realising quite how bad (and criminal) it sounded.