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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Evidence of misandry on Feminist chat.

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UpstartCrow · 24/02/2018 23:11

The last few days, there have been several claims of misandry on Feminist Chat. Please post examples here using a link and screen shot.

Thank you.

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mamaryllis · 27/02/2018 05:40

I’m sure I have a copy of ‘who stole feminism?’ around here somewhere. Grin I think it’s shoved under ‘Overloaded’ - which reminds me - someone told me Imelda Whelehan wrote a pop culture thing about Bridget Jones, and I must order it!!!!!

AngryAttackKittens · 27/02/2018 06:02

If nobody within a political movement recognizes you as being part of that movement, you are not in fact part of that movement. I could claim to be a Tory, but nobody who's ever talked politics with me would believe me.

I know MRAs desperately want to pretend that their pet anti-feminist represents some sort of true spirit of feminism that's been hijacked by us evil actually-feminist witches, but it's nonsense. Tipped your hand a bit too obviously there, mate.

Collidascope · 27/02/2018 06:38

Prat, if you give a shit about male suicide, you really ought to be getting wholeheartedly behind feminism. It's the only movement that I can think of which should help reduce it. (No, MRA won't help because that's just a stick to beat women with.)

Feminism knows the world has a huge man problem. They're massively more likely to commit suicide, murder, mass murder, violent crime, sex crime. 95% of deaths and serious injuries on the road are caused by men. They're more likely to die on the road, more likely to speed, more likely to engage in aggressive and reckless driving. I wonder which sex was largely running the banks before the economic crash. Who started most wars? I'm also sure everytime a breaking news alert appears on the TV regarding terrorism, we all know what sex the perpetrator will be.

Feminists acknowledge there is a problem. That's the first step to changing it, and while you're going on about male tears, it just looks like you want to bash women with a stick. Male tears cups don't cause male suicide or men to commit the horrendous crimes they do. The way we socialise little boys does. The messages we give them about relationships (mum does the shitwork and is allowed to express a wide range of emotion and dad does the important, money-making work and never cries), about not showing emotion, about who runs the world (they'll be singing in schools hymns about God, the father, the male. They'll see that most politicians are men, most CEOs, most judges, most bankers etc), they'll be given cars and not dolls, they'll be given t-shirts with slogans about rebelling and taking risks, they'll be taught to despise girly stuff because it's soft, they'll watch porn and think women are there to be strangled, ejaculated on and generally dominated and hurt.

Feminism aims to fight all these damaging messages. Women are human though, and it would take the patience of a fucking saint for us never to get angry at the state of affairs which sees us murdered, raped, beaten up in our own homes, suffering fgm which no one is ever prosecuted for, routinely harassed, living in austerity because a bunch of reckless men were in charge of the banks, denied equal pay, having to repeatedly nag a man to do his share of the cleaning, told that men can actually be women too, etc. etc. et fucking cetera.

SophoclesTheFox · 27/02/2018 06:56

Well said, collidascope!

Will it land, though? I am not sure if Prat can set aside his obvious disdain for women for long enough. Ah well, no matter, he’ll be back here under another name in a month or so to tell us again about the 7%, Big Red, the proper feminism of Christina Hoff Somers and how we all laugh heartily about male suicide Hmm.

SophoclesTheFox · 27/02/2018 06:57

Ps, Prat, do you suppose that there is no one here who has been affected by male suicide? Are you that dim that you don’t get that feminists lose their brothers and husbands and friends to suicide too?

BertrandRussell · 27/02/2018 08:12

Yes, that always puzzles me about MRA. Do they really think feminists are so lost to decency that they don’t even care about their own sons? Personally, being the mother of a young man makes feminism seem even more urgent and significant to me.......

MephistophelesApprentice · 27/02/2018 08:20

"How can I be a misogynist? I love my daughters! That's why I try and force them to comply with my view of how women SHOULD behave! It's better for them!"

  • Every misogynist with daughters, ever.
LangCleg · 27/02/2018 08:43

Actually, men only lead the way in completed suicides. This, unsurprisingly, is because they have that teensy weensy problem with violence. Women attempt suicide more frequently than men but choose less violent methods so are successful less often.

Since I am a feminist, I prioritise distress among women.

Men are welcome to prioritise distress among men. They may need to address the violence issue first if they want to reduce male suicide statistics. Not my fault that everything to do with men comes back to that teensy weensy problem with violence.

BertrandRussell · 27/02/2018 08:47

Mephisophes- out of interest, what do you think feminists want that will make things worse for men? It’s something i’ve often wondered.......

Pratcatcher · 27/02/2018 09:42

I've got no issue with feminists who are genuinely trying to improve things for women. However, I think there are many who just use it as a battering ram against men with no genuine regard for other women.

I used to work in sales for a large security firm at which most of the guards were working class men (many of ethnic minority) on close to minimum wage, whereas the majority of the sales team were white middle class degree educated women. Despite undoubtedly facing some issues that were unique to women, I found it pretty laughable how some of my privileged female colleagues seemed to genuinely play the oppression card whilst driving round in their company BMWs. It's these middle class 'victims' that I can't abide, just like the teenage university feminists who bang on about workplace issues without ever having set foot in an office or done a day's work in their life outside of a Saturday job.

Call me bitter but I just don't see the oppression for many western women having spent large parts of my youth in Zimbabwe and having seen true oppression and poverty. If it was more than 7% of women who beat this drum I'd likely be more inclined to take it seriously. Hell, I remember the thread on here where it was conclusively demonstrated that most women would rather work for a man. I think this speaks volumes about many women's true regard for their fellow females as opposed to opportunity feminism.

UpstartCrow · 27/02/2018 09:44

Your third paragraph contradicts your second paragraph.

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Patodp · 27/02/2018 09:47

Conflating class inequality with sexism.
Classic.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/02/2018 09:50

Having had his previous talking points totally crushed he now moves on to BMWs and Zimbabwe!

Must be hard to type all that out with one hand down your pants, so points for that at least.

Pratcatcher · 27/02/2018 09:55

But why do the vast majority of women not want to be labelled as feminists?

Pratcatcher · 27/02/2018 09:55

Not expecting to get a proper answer to that question btw...

UpstartCrow · 27/02/2018 09:58

One reason is because as this thread demonstrates, people are happy to dismiss it as irrelevant misandry that actively harms men, without being able to give much evidence to support that claim.

If you ask people if they support feminism without using the word, they support it.

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Pratcatcher · 27/02/2018 10:06

I'd support it in the textbook sense if not the actual implementation we see which is a far cry.

Terftastic · 27/02/2018 10:08

That makes no sense.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/02/2018 10:10

"If women would just allow me to be in charge of feminism then I'd support feminism."

It's cute that he thinks we care. The level of coherence drops with each comment though. Isn't it a bit early in the morning to be drinking, Prat?

LangCleg · 27/02/2018 10:11

Must be hard to type all that out with one hand down your pants, so points for that at least.

Only women can have multiple orgasms. This may not be relevant but I felt like saying it.

Pratcatcher · 27/02/2018 10:12

And I do love the old trope of "most women just don't understand feminism but they'd support it if they did...".

Most women know exactly what a large pepperoni of feminists have become.

Pratcatcher · 27/02/2018 10:12

FFS

proportion

UpstartCrow · 27/02/2018 10:13

The actual implementation of feminism is a feminist - Jessica Eaton - fundraising to start a mens mental health clinic - The Eaton Foundation.

victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/stop-asking-me-what-about-men/

Why is it still the only charity to support men with mental health problems? Why don't men fund male DV shelters and rape crisis?

Claiming things aren't bad for women in the UK is either wilful blindness or gaslighting.

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Collidascope · 27/02/2018 10:15

A pepperoni of feminists! I love it. Can that please be our new collective noun?

AngryAttackKittens · 27/02/2018 10:15

Normally I wouldn't say no to a pizza, but I'll have mushrooms and a less greasy sausage on mine, thanks.

Congrats on your most interesting and relevant comment so far in this thread though!