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Evidence of misandry on Feminist chat.

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UpstartCrow · 24/02/2018 23:11

The last few days, there have been several claims of misandry on Feminist Chat. Please post examples here using a link and screen shot.

Thank you.

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terfsRus · 26/02/2018 11:17

Has anyone heard of Rebel Wisdom?

www.rebelwisdom.co.uk/

It seems to be a promising men's movement in terms of personal development and owning masculinity and reclaiming it or perhaps redefining it in terms of allies and supporters of women.

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:21

Not heard of it but sounds very interesting. I think there's a certain sort of nihilism in many young men these days which likely helps to fuel errant behaviour.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 26/02/2018 11:22

it's because the other 93% actually like men, the vast majority of whom are decent human beings

Oh good lord Grin

BertrandRussell · 26/02/2018 11:23

Prat- how do you think the problem should be approached?

HandbagKrabby · 26/02/2018 11:24

How many times does a woman have to be the victim of male violence before she’s allowed to have an opinion beyond namalt?

It’s not hypothetical for some people so it seems really oppressive to tell them they need to couch their lived experience in inclusive language. Not all men, but too many men.

Datun · 26/02/2018 11:27

Prat- how do you think the problem should be approached?

i'd like an answer to this too.

Women trying to protect other women are going about it the wrong way.

How should we do it then?

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:30

Bertrand, I don't profess to have all the answers, but I look at all the Feminist vs MRA, Trans vs Radfem battles that seem to be so prevalent in recent years and I feel that hate isn't the answer. There does seem to be a lot of hate within feminism and, although likely justified, I don't think it really helps achieve the broader goals which would probably make for a better existence for both sexes.

LangCleg · 26/02/2018 11:30

Making sexist jibes about "small penises" certainly isn't going to help you be taken seriously.

I don't know how many more times I can say this on this thread.

I don't care.

I don't care what men think. The decent ones don't wank about complaining that women organise among themselves in order to improve their safety and dignity within society. The decent ones don't complain about their exclusion. The decent ones get it.

The arseholes - who deserve to be mocked for penis size -
complain. And I don't give two hoots about what they think.

Datun · 26/02/2018 11:34

I don't think it really helps achieve the broader goals which would probably make for a better existence for both sexes.

So you list the gazillion reasons why (you think) feminists have got it wrong.

You tell them they aren't attracting more people to the cause.

You insinuate that there is, according to you, a better way to do it.

But when asked, you come up with fuck all.

So basically just a man whingeing.

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:35

Langcleng.

I don't see this debate as being about men chastising women for organising among themselves to tackle these issues. It's about not alienating the 99% of men who could otherwise be allies by insinuating that they have some type of culpability for the actions of the errant >1%.

Datun · 26/02/2018 11:38

It's about not alienating the 99% of men who could otherwise be allies

Well come on then.

What's your three-point plan?

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:40

Datun.

Ok, I'll ask you a question then.

"Do you think that wilfully deriding and alienating the majority of men will foster sympathy from them, and do you think that it would help if a significant percentage of men were to start denouncing toxic behaviours rather than ignoring the issue?"

LangCleg · 26/02/2018 11:41

Pratcatcher

Not sure how to be any more clear. I don't care what you think and I don't care that the arseholes among the male population feel alienated.

I. Don't. Care.

Boundary asserted. Can you respect it, I wonder?

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:43

Ok, point one on the action plan is "consider how to stop alienating potential allies and prevent yourself from being taken seriously in the process."

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:45

Langcleng.

Does "respecting your boundary" include not being allowed to voice my opinions?

Datun · 26/02/2018 11:45

Feminists don't wilfully deride the majority of men. Hence the invention of the acronym NAMALT.

But, according to you, it's about a tiny percentage of men who murdered women.

That is you wilfully disregarding domestic violence, street harrassment, sexual harassment, sexual assault, emotional abuse, rape culture and sexism.

So if you want to line up all the men who participate in, or perpetuate the above, then yes, I'm only talking about them.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 26/02/2018 11:46

I didn't realise men were so hopeless that they would be prepared to stand back and see women be abused and murdered because their feelings have been hurt at being lumped in with the 'errant 1%'.

If they do this, then they are lumping THEMSELVES in with the really vicious men who hurt women.

Datun · 26/02/2018 11:47

Ok, point one on the action plan is "consider how to stop alienating potential allies and prevent yourself from being taken seriously in the process."

Okay let's assume we've done that.

Then what?

Let's hear it.

God only knows, if you have a magic plan, there isn't a woman alive who doesn't want to know about it.

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UpstartCrow · 26/02/2018 11:48

I dont see how anyone can honestly believe the split is 99:1% good guys to bad apples. Good guys who complain more about angry women than violent men aren't good guys.

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Datun · 26/02/2018 11:50

I'm just fascinated about a plan that doesn't involve talking about male violence, sexual harassment, sexism, and DARVO.

Terftastic · 26/02/2018 11:54

I dont see how anyone can honestly believe the split is 99:1% good guys to bad apples.

No, it's not - considering 30% of men in the UK have a criminal record by the time they are 30 yrs old - it's really not "1% men who are bad."

Prat made up the 1% figure and has just gone with it.

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:54

I'm not claiming to have a magic plan to improve the statistic whereby 99% of men aren't violent.

I'm just pointing out what I see to be a serious problem which alienates a large proportion of potential allies who would likely help in effecting change if the patriarchy is as prevalent as asserted. I don't know what else you really expect of me. If I held the magic wand which could stop all violence against women rest assured I would wave it.

Datun · 26/02/2018 11:55

I'm sure I recognise prats writing style.

prat did write before about how rape culture doesn't exist?

Terftastic · 26/02/2018 11:56

I dispute the 99% figure you've made up, Prat.

Pratcatcher · 26/02/2018 11:58

Well, it should be fairly easy to work out an estimate. Two men a week kill their partners. What percentage of the UK male population is this?