Evidence of misandry on Feminist chat.

[UpstartCrow]

The last few days, there have been several claims of misandry on Feminist Chat. Please post examples here using a link and screen shot.

Thank you.

You do realise you are asking for a literal Patriarchy there Bertrand? I think any individual going about their lawful business without hurting or stealing from anyone else is entitled to not be on the receiving end of the seething resentment I spoke of earlier. Some men are shy and inarticulate forgive me if I feel disinclined to hate them.

I agree with you 100% on teaching their boys how to manage emotion and frustration, with the addendum they should be doing it for their girls also. We all paint our lives from the same palette of emotions after all.

seething resentment

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I want lessons in Resentment Seething. It looks like a useful skill. At the very least, I want to learn how to make the steam coming out of my nose 24/7 (what with seething all this resentment an' all) show itself visibly in posts on Mumsnet.

There should be something like an interwebz DNA test that proves my Seething Resentment could only have come from one in a billion people on the planet. Like an individualised Seething Resentment fingerprint.

Then more people can come and shout LOOK! SEETHING RESENTMENT! PROOF POSITIVE! I TOLD YOU!

“I agree with you 100% on teaching their boys how to manage emotion and frustration, with the addendum they should be doing it for their girls also. We all paint our lives from the same palette of emotions after all“

What’s your explanation for the fact that men commit 90% of the violence?

“I think any individual going about their lawful business without hurting or stealing from anyone else is entitled to not be on the receiving end of the seething resentment I spoke of earlier. Some men are shy and inarticulate forgive me if I feel disinclined to hate them“

Well, individual men going about their lawful business not hurting anyone don’t tend to be on the receiving end of seething resentment. And I don’t hate them ether. But if I was part of a group that committed 90% of violence, I would sure as hell want to do something about it. And however shy and inarticulate I was, I would still (for example) not join in with laughing at rape jokes, even if I was too scared to say anything. And I would also think about why I was scared of other men.

What’s your explanation for the fact that men commit 90% of the violence?

Childhood trauma, and given that women kill and hit more children than men do coupled with the fact that little boys are more likely to be physically disciplined than little girls I think that sets up an extremely dysfunctional attitude towards women in these little boys minds as they grow into men.

I'd also point at the CDC figures for intimate partner violence within lesbian relationships places it at a significantly higher proportion than women in hetererosexual relationships. With gay men being the least likely. I'm not sure how lesbian violence can be men's fault.

Of course given that men have a 15-20% strength/size differential from women the damage they inflict will likely be more severe and more likely to be fatal. However I think the misandrist myth that men are responsible for all violence is innacurrate and dangerous.

What is shown is that often humans with a size/strength differential will abuse those smaller and weaker than they are, child abuse statistics reduce each given year as children get older and bigger. So a child is more likely to be murdered at 1yr old than 10yrs, and so on.

The good news is that we can track an overall reduction of human violence across the decades that correlates with the reduction of hitting children.

In the meantime I'm totally in favour of targeting men for anger management programs, as they are the ones more likely to able to inflict worse damage, with an eye to ensure the next generation are free from the blight of violence, but I don't think trying to blame it all on men will get us all the way there I'm afraid.

Childhood trauma, and given that women kill and hit more children than men do coupled with the fact that little boys are more likely to be physically disciplined than little girls

Where on earth has this come from?

Young boys and young girls are equally likely to suffer childhood trauma, resulting from abuse at the hands of adults. Adult Males being vastly more likely to inflict sexual abuse on children. Girls vastly more likely to experience sexual abuse.

However, it's only the males that end up committing violence at the rates observable.

So make violence is women’s fault. On a thread looking for misandty, it’s clear that misogyny is alive and well!

I'd also point at the CDC figures for intimate partner violence within lesbian relationships places it at a significantly higher proportion than women in hetererosexual relationships. With gay men being the least likely. I'm not sure how lesbian violence can be men's fault.

I've come across a totally different record that identifies how male homosexual relationships are far more likely to result in homicide than lesbian relationships.

And have you completely ignored he 2 women a week being killed by their male partner in England just to say " women do it to"

1st rule of misogyny.
Anything bad a man does is women's fault.

I'd also point at the CDC figures for intimate partner violence

Why would feminists on a UK message board want statistics from an ultra-violent, ultra-patriarchal society such as the United States?

98% of those convicted of domestic violence in the UK are male. It is a tactic of coercive control to make counter accusations as a further way to abuse women attempting to leave, so allegations are not usually used in policy planning.

Lesbian-on-lesbian violence in the UK so rare that it is statistically insignificant.

I'm mildly entertained by the notion that poor men are forced to act as protectors to the weak, ergo suggesting that they are disposable and worthless and should throw themselves in harm's way.
The reality being, of course, that men have consistently and eternally sought to uphold this as an absolute rule, and not just imposed laws and policies that prevent women from engaging, but trussed them up in corsets and other assorted lady wear that actively ensures their complicity. You only have to have some pesky woman want in on the action before all the men turn up to explain why it just isn't possible.

But never mind that. Women kill more children? Evidence, puh-lease.

A British retrospective prevalence study of 2669 young adults aged 18-24 (May-Chahal & Cawson, 2005) found that mothers were more likely than fathers to be responsible for physical abuse 49 per cent of incidents compared to 40 per cent).

It is a tactic of coercive control to make counter accusations

Evidence, Puh-lease.

From the office of national statistics

Another one (homosexual dv) by Sigma

CritEqual wrote - "given that women kill and hit more children than men do".

Where is this supposed to be the case? What is the source of your claim?
It would be an absurd claim to make about women and children in war zones such as Syria.

Here is the situation in the UK:
Findings from most in-depth study into UK parents who kill their children - University of Manchester's 2013 report

which concludes that "fathers were significantly more likely to kill their children than mothers".
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Also, I think that, in terms of amount of contact time, children are at much greater risk of harm from men.

Well I think OP's point is proven. Not a lot of misandry about unless misandry consists of pointing out that most violence is committed by males.

Honestly, I see 'misandry' as the same as 'reverse racism' and 'transmisogyny'

I have seen some comments that seem anti-male rather than anti-male violence. They tend to be deleted though or a lot of posters will answer them. I don't see 'misandry' going unchecked. Mind , if someone thinks pointing out that 98% of sexual assaults/rapes are committed by men is misandry, as many seem to, then of course they will see a lot of 'misandry' here.

That mumsnet sucks site..

Ask why women who have admitted they have no children are more welcome than a father who does not call himself a feminist? Does that make him a wife-beater? If they ask you how you know so much as a newbie, say you’ve been reading for years but never signed up. If they say this is some refuge from a male dominated world, suggest it is not a site for parents then.

Seems like a page to encourage MRAs to join and just troll MN tbh. How sad.

That’s not the one full of ex-mners though (well, some current too). The sub reddit where they are all gather to discuss posters without the heavy hand of moderation and then drop in to stir up shite and go back to Reddit to brag about it. There are s few posters on there who I thought much better of, but I won’t them lest I resort to similar non-U behaviour.

To be honest, I don’t think many new male posters need instructions on how to be obnoxious. They seem to be naturally gifted at it.

If women were killing and abusing men at the same rate men were doing it to women, you can bet your life I would stand up and speak out....NOT IN MY NAME! Men seem to prefer to stay silent and do nothing in case they get attacked too. Cowards, are they?

Some men are committing crimes in OTHER MEN'S NAME ?? Err...No..not even maybe.

If your contribution to the conversation about male violence against women and girls consists of attempts to prevent these issues from being discussed on feminist sites ... then you are not part of the solution.

If....

I can't even be arsed to read the whole thread ( and have only recently found out what misandry means) but when 2 men a week are murdered by their partners, when nearly every man you meet has a story about being raped/ assaulted/ harrassed or denied a job because they were a man, when men are earning less ( while facilitating women to earn more), judged day and night on being young and sexual, or for daring to get visibly old, dismissed for having any opinion that differentiates them from a doormat, and are derided for caring that they are dismissed THEN come crying to me about "misandry"
Until then just fuck off.

Until then just fuck off.

Careful - someone might just accuse you of preventing issues being discussed