I am about to ID as a man

[YesItsADebate]

In 1.5 hours, I will be identifying as a gay man who does not conform with male gender stereotypes. I expect my local leisure facility to comply with the Swim England guidelines and agree that I am entitled to access the men-only swimming sessions, the male showers and toilets and to wear swimming trunks. I also expect them to re-educate any other man who objects to any of the above.

In other words, I have a meeting with the local swimming pool at 10 to see whether or not I’ll be resorting to topless swimming and public nudity tonight in an effort to prove my point that the Swim England guidelines are ridiculous

Wish me luck!

Well done OP!

www.vox.com/cards/transgender-myths-fiction-facts/transgender-third-gender-fiction

Oh bloody well done. We need to be calling out this nonsense wherever we can.

All the trans people I know are perfectly ordinary.

Has no one here met an aggressive woman in the toilets?

I've never once felt sexually threatened by a woman in the toilets. No. I know it has occasionally happened but never to anyone I have met in real life. Pretty much every woman I know to have a conversation with has said something about predatory male behaviour though.

Now ether sexual violence is a part of their brains and "male brains" and "female brains" exist or it's down to the way they were socialised anyone socialised as a male is dangerous.

Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.

And what with patriarchy an' all, the noise men make over being laughed at will be heard much more than the noise women make about being killed.

Go and stare at their needledicks, OP. Make sure they know it is now your right to go and stare at their needledicks whenever you want.

I salute you!

All the trans people I know are perfectly ordinary.

You obviously wouldn't be friends with anyone you knew to be a sexual predator. But generally speaking they don't wear name tags.

John Worboys probably had friends you know,

I don’t think the men would think it was funny if a bloke in a dress was using the female changing room as their wife/partner or small child might be in there too. The best thing for women to do, if a man appears in the female changing room is to go straight to the male changing room and when asked what they are doing, say they are identifying as a man. Also explain that there is a ‘woman’ with a cock and balls in the female changing room. It wouldn’t be long before all hell broke lose. Even the most misogynistic man will not want ‘his’ woman being looked at by another man, while she’s naked.

If women are so violent why would you argue that TIMs are safer with us?

All the trans people I know are perfectly ordinary

And many of the men I came into contact with as part of my previous job were predators who would use deception, subterfuge, intimidation and threats to gain access to potential victims.

What's your point?

If women are so violent why would you argue that TIMs are safer with us?

Because they're just so brave

I might have missed it but did you answer this?

f you were a male you'd have an erection, should women have to see your erection in the showers? While you "sneak a couple of looks" at the mind blowingly hot woman?

Would it bother you showering next to someone with an erection?

Well done! Can't wait to hear how it goes.

Another bonus, you won't have to worry about shaving beforehand 😂

Djnoun I see you.

Women are far more vulnerable than MiTs when MiTs are in changing rooms. Educate yourself on autogynephilia. Gay MiTs are not the problem but are still men and should be in the men’s.

I have no problem with other women. Stop bringing homosexuality into this - it’s not about if you find another woman hot or not.

What time is your appointment OP?

Sorry missed the last update!

@Djnoun

If TIM are not safe in mens spaces, why is the onus on women to give up their rights rather than have the violent men educated and their own spaces made safe?

You may be comfortable undressing in front of men, but as a victim of male domestic violence, I am not!

Not all leisure centres and swim baths have cubicles, in fact the vast majority I have been to don't as they are segregated sex areas without the need.

I've also had a female friends make moves on me, being a similar size, I was much more able to get out of a comprised position. When the same thing happened with a man, I could not defend myself and was only made safe by a male neighbour intervening. Without that, I was at real risk of being raped. For info, I used to do MAMA and I am a lot stronger and able than the average woman to defend myself.

I am tired to death of women having o make sacrifices to enable men who "identify" as female, but evidently can't empathise with us!!

Go campaign at the men to be more open to wider gender norms ffs!

Well done OP!

To be honest.. if this became common.. then I wouldn't want to use the cubicles because I know exactly what some of those men are going to be doing in there and leaving in there.......

I've seen it in unisex toilets at some venues too often.

yes thanks for your update.

I've also had a female friends make moves on me, being a similar size, I was much more able to get out of a comprised position. When the same thing happened with a man, I could not defend myself and was only made safe by a male neighbour intervening. Without that, I was at real risk of being raped. For info, I used to do MAMA and I am a lot stronger and able than the average woman to defend myself.

Women aren't socialised to be polite to female advances either for fear of offending (risking retaliation)

All the trans people I know are perfectly ordinary

Great, we aren’t worried about “ordinary trans people” but you need to educate yourself. I’d suggest you read some of the threads on the Feminist board, where there are many links to Trans people SM (men to women) who are far from “ordinary”.

Bisexual woman here checking in to say I resent a certain poster attempting to present us as inappropriate perverts...

To be fair I don’t ‘ogle’ anyone. I might take a few extra glances if someone is stunningly beautiful and I’m genuinely caught off guard, but not if they’re at risk of noticing, and not specifically at their body parts, male or female. Given that I HAVE breasts, they’re certainly not something I see in the way most heterosexual men seem to...

I am curious what she means by "ordinary".

Ordinary transexual or ordinary, "I'm a woman because I say I am and I've got a dick and a beard so suck it".

What a brilliantly British way of exposing the absurdity of Swim England's policy guidelines. I'm looking forward to your update OP. :o