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Brendan Cox has resigned

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RedToothBrush · 17/02/2018 22:40

Brendan Cox @ mrbrendancox
Last week I decided to step down from my public roles to face up to mistakes I made several years ago while at Save the Children. I apologise to people I offended or upset at the time. My actions were never malicious but they were at times inappropriate.
I take responsibility for my actions and will hold myself to a higher standard in the future.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jo-cox-husband-brendan-cox-step-down-charity-a8215951.html%3famp
Brendan Cox steps down from charity set up in murdered wife Jo’s memory over 'mistakes I made several years ago'

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/02/2018 10:15

Without excusing him, sexual harassment is everywhere, but Brendan Cox is one man

Get a grip. I'm an employment lawyer and have dealt with lots of issues of sexual harassment. In a 12 year career, I have never come across a man allegedly grabbing amother employee by the throat. This is extremely serious, aggravated assault

As for the Daily Mail agenda, if Brendan Cox wasn't a sexual preadator, there would be nothing to report

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2018 10:18

Oops, I appear to have woken up a conspiracy theorist this morning.

Its not a conspiracy.

The problem is the left's blind spot and hypocrisy with its own when it comes to a number of issues.

If you seek to take the moral high ground that leaves you exposed.

If you lack self awareness of your own actions why should you be telling everyone else to do similar.

That's what pisses me off more than anything tbh.

Its foreseeable and utterly predictable and of course the Daily Mail would seek to point it out for their own political gain.

The tragedy is I think we will see a lot more cases, not necessarily for sexual harassment or assault, in which left leaning leaders have painted themselves into corners with their own behaviour.

The right is no better, but then they don't pretend to be in quite the same way.

Its not a party political issue but its being framed as such. By the left and by the right. Neither has the intent to do fuck all about it, because they are too busy trying to cover their own arses.

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LangCleg · 18/02/2018 10:19

If you seek to take the moral high ground that leaves you exposed.

Yes. If you "identify" as good and virtuous, you lose the perspective to reflect on your actions.

CB1234 · 18/02/2018 10:26

Brendan I hope you are reading this. In fact I would be most surprised if you or your PR team don't read mumsnet given we are the demographic you are aiming your transparently inadequate apology to. Your statement is full of victim blaming. You excuse your behaviour as little more than a misunderstanding. It wasn't really your fault, your victims misconstrued your intentions. There was no malice, you meant it to be jokey and flirty. Well, Brendan, if you really believe that why don't you share with us all exactly what you did. Or how about you tell us if you would be OK with someone doing this to your daughter at some point. This was not an apology or really even a confession. It was your attempt to excuse your behaviour whilst minimising it. And we can all see though it.

CB1234 · 18/02/2018 10:28

I really hope his victims come forward with a blow by blow account of what happened. I am sure it would make an enlightening read.

NashvilleQueen · 18/02/2018 10:28

He is a total disgrace. But this in his own right and it in no way impacts on his late wife or the values she stood up for. There is an unpleasant undercurrent (glee almost) on social media from right wingers that it somehow devalues her too simply because it now transpires that her husband is a first class prick (which of course she may or may not have known about).

Some of the allegations pre-date her murder so he couldn’t have just behaved after the event. There was always the potential for the truth to be revealed.

It also doesn’t undermine what he said about Jo in the immediate aftermath of her death. Everything I have read supports that she was truly a force for good.

Hopefully he will step into the shadows and concentrate on protecting his children and rebuilding trust with family and friends.

Viviennemary · 18/02/2018 10:32

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allthatmalarkey · 18/02/2018 10:34

Employment lawyer, I've worked somewhere where a manager did pretty much exactly that (allegedly). He had sexually harassed all of the women who worked for him including me. He was fired but got an unfair dismissal ruling as it was cheaper for the insurers.
Totally agree Brendan Cox shouldn't have been doing the jobs in the first place. The STC allegations alone made this a liability all along. My point was more: there are a lot of men and employers who potentially could be in for similar treatment. Which news outlet will go after who and why? I don't trust the purity of their motives. And how is Trump immune so far when we've all heard the tape of him boasting about assaulting women?

derxa · 18/02/2018 10:35

To be expected

shartsi · 18/02/2018 10:36

Nashville, why should he step into the shadows? He has confessed to sexual assault. He should be prosecuted and jailed. The victims need justice.

allthatmalarkey · 18/02/2018 10:38

And the police dropped the charges for lack of evidence. Employer was a UK charity (they're not usually hotbeds of harassment but there do tend to be a lot women workers and few men, usually managers).

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/02/2018 10:41

Employment lawyer, I've worked somewhere where a manager did pretty much exactly that (allegedly).

that doesnt make what BC did any less serious or are you saying because two men have allegedly behaved in a similar way, it is somehow normalised?

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/02/2018 10:42

And vivienne, saying people should calm down because BC hasn't murdered anyone - are you serious?!

Viviennemary · 18/02/2018 10:49

It's not even clear what he's actually done. Was it a criminal offence or not. I didn't mean that sexual assault shouldn't be prosecuted. But it's not even clear that it took place from what I've read. Coming on to other women while married isn't exactly commendable but it's not criminal. Would there be enough prisons in the country to hold people if it was.

user1497863568 · 18/02/2018 10:50

This sort of harassment has been going on forever. It's why it drives me nuts when they talk about harassment by immigrant males when in fact the only males who have harassed me (when I was much younger) were very creepy rich old white men. It's sick and that sort are getting a lot of power again Sad

CritEqual · 18/02/2018 10:51

allthatmalarky I resent your subtle implication that when anyone on the right calls out someone it's a tactic and must have a hidden agenda. Yet when the left does it it's more likely to be in good faith. The reason why this is less likely to get you Trump's scalp is he has never tried to market himself as anything other than he is. Whereas the amount of historical covering up, collusion and minimising that goes on when a man on the left does it beggars belief. Just compare Donald Trump to Bill Clinton.

Personally I think there has to be a truce when it comes to allegations of this nature where we all agree to stop closing ranks to protect our respective political sides, and just focus on the allegations at hand. Yes there will be certainly agendas behind who is targeted and when, but actually those aren't more important than the women who come forward.

LizzieSiddal · 18/02/2018 10:51

He's not murdered anyone. Folk should calm down.

One of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever read on MN.

Frombothsidesnow · 18/02/2018 10:53

Personally I think there has to be a truce when it comes to allegations of this nature where we all agree to stop closing ranks to protect our respective political sides, and just focus on the allegations at hand. Yes there will be certainly agendas behind who is targeted and when, but actually those aren't more important than the women who come forward.

Absolutely. And I speak as someone irretrievably left wing.

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 18/02/2018 10:53

The new allegation is this:

It is claimed that Mr Cox drunkenly harassed a female employee at the charity in London, forcing her against a wall outside a bar, holding her by the throat and telling her: 'I want to f* you.'

When it was put to him, rather than denying it, BC gave an interview to the Mail on Sunday where he cried and apologies for inappropriate behaviour rather than denying it. So Inthink it would be fair to sssume that he accepts that allegation.

LizzieSiddal · 18/02/2018 10:53

“Coming on to other women”

So grabbing someone by the throat and saying “I want to fuck you” is a “come on” in your world? Hmm

All I can say is, poor you.

LizzieSiddal · 18/02/2018 10:54

My post was to Vivienne

LizzieSiddal · 18/02/2018 10:59

It’s very telling that the two most serious allegations, are so similar.
They come from women thousands of miles apart, yet he’s accused in both of grabbing, intimidating, groping, and pushing.

He’s acknowledged the one which happened in the Uk but says he doesn’t recognise exactly the same behaviour he’s accused of in America.

Funny that!
He’s a liar.

RedToothBrush · 18/02/2018 11:04

And vivienne, saying people should calm down because BC hasn't murdered anyone - are you serious?!

I thought it was only baby murders in cots which you could use to minimise inappropriate sexual behaviour by charity workers

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NashvilleQueen · 18/02/2018 11:06

shartsi apologies it was my poor phrasing. I totally agree with you about investigation and prosecution for offences. I meant step into the shadows from public life and being wheeled out on BBC and other programmes whenever there’s an Britain First type discussion being had.

finnmcool · 18/02/2018 11:13

I don't understand how him being drunk is being used as some sort of excuse. When drunk women are sexually assaulted, it's framed as being their fault for being drunk.