Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

[goodyzoe]

"The 3-point fall in the Labour share [in You Gov poll] is entirely explained by a 6-point fall among women (from 46% to 40%)"

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 39 (-3)
LD 8 (+2)

@jenniferjames says "Oh fucking hell. I broke the Labour party. :-( "

I've got very mixed feelings. On the one hand - go everyone! They'll have to take notice - surely?

But - Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

But - we have to stick up for ourselves don't we.

Starting to think the people who say the rapid rise in TRA ideology is being fuelled by those who stand to benefit from a divided left might have a point.

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I have been a bit taken aback at all the mainstream things about centenary that I have seen including TIMs in their pics etc and being sure to mention them.

Yes, it's left a rather sour taste to something that should have felt like a celebration and empowering.

Agree with mass leaving and mass spoiling of ballots. Only way to be noticed when not represented by any political party. My constituency was always one of the safest tory seats until last election when Labour came close. I helped go door to door and was so excited by the result. Rather fucked off that I gave them my time now.

It's ironic that coming on the 100 year anniversay, mainstream political parties have found a way to effectively disenfrancise women.

All these women saying they won't vote or will spoil their ballots. Net result > > politics is firmly back with men.

The other option is to do something that has been suggested before, not necessarily to do with self ID but for women in general -
Which is to vote for a woman, irrespective. If there is more than one vote for the one that matches views most.

The idea is that across the board women have an interest in women's issues - because of who they are in a way that men just don't. It's often not because men don't care but because it's not personal, they haven't experienced it, it's not on their radar. Better female representation is the only way to get issues that are female only onto the agenda. Many men don't even know what they are. See them as "niche" or minor. This extends to issues affecting children as well a lot of the time.

And while of course some women can be awful for women (hello DUP) they aren't worse than men of a similar ilk.

Having said that I don't know that I could vote tory because it was a woman! But last election I had female options and I took them.

With self ID again, yes some women support it but they at least have the experiences / background to understand the issues and more and more women are peaking all the time. For men, they don't know, don't care. They simply do not know all this stuff about how it feels as a woman in a man's world and hiding from insistent men in the bogs and getting another girl in there to check he'd gone and how men can be very threatening while staying just this side of legal and just how many creepy perves there are out there and how they start with us when we are so young.... So maybe any woman is better than any man, irrespective of party.

Just a thougtht I know it's one that a lot of people feel very uncomfortable with and I understand why! Nadine Dorries for eg lol

Lots of Twitter brocialists saying it's sue to Labour's stance on Brexit (without asking to any women of course). I'm pointing them in the direction of the #Labourlosingwomen hashtag.

When I'm feeling a bit calmer, I'll reply to that email

Ooh typos

Do we know if anyone actually notes the specifics of what is written on spoiled ballot papers?

Just seen this on Twitter from the excellent transwomen Miranda Yardley:

What greater example of the colonisation of womanhood than giving a place on a scheme set up to challenge sex inequality to a trans-identified male who has several times stood for election ‘as a man’ and failed to win majority. This is not progressive

This is what she has retweeted from Ashley Dalton

Best wishes to all my sisters starting the @LabourWomensNet 2nd cohort of the Jo Cox Women in Leadership Programme today. If I have any advice it is to be open minded; be kind to yourselves; embrace the sisterhood and ENJOY. @bubwaah @lauragriffiths @Wizardofloz @heatherisone

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Lots of Twitter brocialists saying it's sue to Labour's stance on Brexit (without asking to any women of course).

Tbf, it will be part of it as will the bullying allegations and the anti semitism.

Every single thing that we can do to advance a manifesto that benefits women is dependent on being able to say who women are.

We cannot carry out equality impact assessments that show how sexist austerity has been if we are not carrying them out on a population of only women.

We cannot make the links between imposing maternal poverty through austerity and the rise in DV plus the subsequent rise in care applications for children if we cannot measure women.

I know another five years of Tory rule is an horrific prospect. But it's five years. Being unable to measure women in order to help them is forever.

I will never, ever, ever, ever, vote for a political party that has self-ID in its manifesto. Never. Fin.

We're proud that Labour's campaigns are funded by thousands of small donations from people like you

I thought that the real bucks came from the unions. And the local campaigns rely extensively on (mostly female) unpaid labour

Looking at the issue from another point of view, iirc there are already some countries where they have adopted self Id policy. Has it caused big issues for women in those countries so far? I tried to look into it, couldn't find anything but perhaps not looking at the right sources.

Also, is this a left right issue or is that an unnecessary division?

I know another five years of Tory rule is an horrific prospect. But it's five years. Being unable to measure women in order to help them is forever.

I will never, ever, ever, ever, vote for a political party that has self-ID in its manifesto. Never. Fin.*

^^This.

With motherfucking bells on!!!!!!

Hoping a picture may help people understand.

I cannot vote for Labour whilst Momentum have such influence on it.

Momentum membership is now over 35,000, and recent elections to Labour's NEC saw posts going to three Momentum members. They now have significant influence in the NEC (though still not as much as the unions), and if they are successful in pushing through policies such as re-selection, can have a radical impact on what the Parliamentary Labour Party looks like. This is a handy summary

Why is Momentum problematic? Many reasons

The then Vice Chair was reported to have made antisemitic comments on a number of occasions, including Holocaust Day. Momentum were slow to react to concerns, and she remains an influential person within the group.

Complaints by women about bullying have been denied and downplayed

Momentum is accused of forcing out various council leaders through sustained campaigns of bullying and harassment. For example, most recently in Haringey, but also in Merseyside.

it has been noted that many influential Momentum members are former members of Militant, the far-left group that Kinnock kicked out of the Labour party in the 1980s.

Momentum members have shown themselves to be very TRA minded - everyone's favourite Women's Officer Even Though I Am Not A Woman is a Momentum member, for example. Whilst JAred O'Mara has been described as "Momentum's first MP", which is clearly demonstrates either a lack of due diligence or (more likely) a lack of concern regarding outright misogyny.

Oh, and they are under investigation by the Electoral Commission regarding their spending in the last General Election

So all in all, I cannot vote Labour whilst Momentum are pulling their strings

YTho

No, this isn't a left / right wing issue - it cuts across party politics.

Re other countries, the example most commonly cited is Ireland. But it's not really an apt comparator, both because of its size and cultural history, plus the change is quite recent. And there are some important safeguards (such as exempting prisons from self-ID) and some carve-outs (such as excluding TIF from joining the priesthood) that show that legislators don't really really believe it

I will vote for any party that sorts out the FGM issues, rebukes the 'self-ID' issue, speaks out against the rapes of mainly white women and children by minority groups and supports Israel being the capital of Jerusalem.

In the meantime I will 100% vote Tory. Every. Time.

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Got to do something to make them listen.

I guess I'm just disheartened at the thought of the current mess continuing for another 5years on top of this and making our lives even harder.

I guess I'm just disheartened at the thought of the current mess continuing for another 5years on top of this and making our lives even harder.

Me too. In fact, it makes me despise and detest transactivism even more than I already do. We women should be out there campaigning to restore our necessary services from cuts - from refuges to children's centres to respite services. But we can't do that because we can't have any services at all unless we first defend our colonisation by delusional narcissistic men.

But then we are already losing them due to lack of funding. Sad times either way.

Yes it's a real dismay how this one issue has overtaken everything.

All my FB groups as well v staunch radfem, it's all trans, all over the world. The conversations about male violence structural inequality racism etc all are so much less as this tramples over everything.

So a handful of men shouting have effectively won the attention of all feminists everywhere, the libfems rushing to pander and the radfems saying WTF how can we do anything as woman as a class no longer exists in society, in law, in anything.

They must be loving it.

We all know that with lots of men any attention from women, even if negative, is a "win".

It would feel like spitting on the graves of my ancestors to vote Tory

My mine and mill worker ancestors wouldn't recognise this shower of brocialists. Any many of the women survived the worse of male oppression. They would not react kindly to being told what to think by virtue signalling wankers. My DM in her 70s peaktransed on her own, only turning to me to ask, "men with penises allowed in refuges and prisons, is that right?" "Yes mum" "well that's dreadful".

Don't rely on women, Labour. We clearly can't rely on you.

Labour and the Tories aren’t the parties of our parents and grandparents.