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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So DD's organ donor card just arrived...

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Battleax · 10/02/2018 14:22

...and she waved it at me, so I said "Right you're supposed to have a chat about your wishes with your family." She, continuing to waggle it, says "This is me telling you about my wishes". So I said "Okay, but have you thought about your womb and the trans thing?"

Turns out she doesn't want a man using her womb after her death.

So that's fine, but it made me think; should we all be stipulating this in writing to the organ donor organisation?

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Enidthecat · 10/02/2018 19:33

I'm not saying we should. I'm saying everything is experimental so to use that as a reason not to is silly.

Like I say I dont think it will happen.

I think what you've written about the hands is actually grossly offensive. Comparing that to someone who is genuinely struggling with their identity and how they want to live is frankly vile and insensitive.

PencilsInSpace · 10/02/2018 21:15

Loads of people, male and female, have fertility problems. As a result, we've developed AI, IVF, egg donation, surrogacy (whole other thread there) and other techniques because it's recognised that the desire to reproduce is a fundamental human drive and in many people is incredibly strong, such that they will experience real mental and emotional distress if they are unable to have their own children. The success rates aren't brilliant for a lot of this stuff so it's always best to use the methods that are most likely to work. Sometimes none of it works and people have to find another way to be parents or readjust their life plans.

This male pregnancy bullshit is nothing to do with any of that though. It's not about reproducing or about becoming a parent it's about having a pregnancy. The transwomen who don't go for hormones or surgery are no more likely to be infertile than any other male human. If they want to become parents they should use the method most likely to work. Transwomen who go for physical treatments should be thinking ahead if fertility is important to them. There are options far more likely to succeed than trying to carry a pregnancy in a male body.

There are communities online for both men and transwomen who fantasize about being pregnant. I'm not linking them because they're horrible. If you want to see something truly grossly offensive, vile and insensitive go and google it. The reason this has been in the news lately is not because it's in any way a viable option, it's because some men get off on the idea.

Juzza12 · 10/02/2018 21:25

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lougle · 10/02/2018 21:43

I think there is some confusion about the organ donation process. Having a donor card is helpful as a piece of information that expresses your wishes, but if the occasion arose, the donation team would consult next of kin and it would be their decision that would be respected ultimately.

The uterus is an organ, rather than tissue. But it is not taken for donation.

Heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, occasionally bowel. Corneas. Bone, tendon and skin. All have different criteria for donation, so it may not be possible to donate everything. Donation is a very special decision and one that some families find very comforting.

Bringonspring · 10/02/2018 22:00

So in summary then;

Womb is not currently on the organ donar list
It is not possible for a man to receive a womb transplant
It is not possible for an individual born as a man who undergoes gender reassignment to carry a baby

Shall we move on.

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