Was Greer Right When She Said Men Hate Women?

[LastGirlOnTheLeft]

I have just skim read The Female Eunuch and like everyone else, the stand out line to me was that men hate us but we aren't aware of the extent, and neither are they!!

Do you think this is true?? My DH, my late father and my brother, all immensely like/d and love/d the women in their lives. I hate to think it is true, but if it is, I want to know! I want to know my enemy.

Ray is getting ready to go out and Rays wife is scowling in a violent manner.

I'm curious to know what scowling in a violent manner means.

I think that is the 4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men therefore male violence against women is justified.

overnightangel

Please tell us then, what feminism should and should not be concerned with. We are all ears........

It's not a minority of men......every scathing comment from a man about how a woman looks, acts is violence.

Not read all thread, got to here...
It's really not violence, it really irks me this whole words are violence. Women bitch about other women all the time- it isn't violence.

It’s seriously embarrassing some of the posts on here.
This is the one thing I can agree with you on. I would add that people like yourself and Ray seem to be oblivious to how you appear to others.

Oh and Greer said: 'Women have very little idea of how much Men hate them'. Which is entirely different to what your OP has said.

Missymoo100

Sorry to burst your bubble but verbal abuse IS violence. (Getting exasperated now).

Feedthe

That is interesting as deep down I've actually always felt sorry for men in that they can never have an experience like carrying, giving birth to and nursing a baby. We are the giver of life. Your theory actually makes sense.

Lettuce pray-
Err no its not,
Someone making a negative comment is not violence, it's part of life- both men and women will do this to you.

Missy

Consider the following:

Kill the n**r
Kill the p**i

Would you think that was an act of violence? Just to clarify incitement to violence is considered an act of violence.

So if b*h as added after those phrases given above would it negate the violence in anyway?

I don't really want to google, does anyone know if the man who killed the woman with the carjack had anything to say for himself? Did he mean to kill her? Was it fun for him?

That has really upset me, so much of this really upsets me. Every day the horrors men commit against women, children and other men, it's just so disturbing.

is not as

@lettucepray you have one setting and it’s “Ranped up anger” socits pointless trying to discuss anything with you as your blinkers are glued into your head.

Read the beginning and the end.

Just the last few posts - a man yelling "get over here and suck my cock " to a schoolgirl, is that illegal?

What about sitting behind them on the bus saying "I'm going to rape you I'm going to follow you off the bus"

Certainly I think that might be illegal? These are both things that have happened to me.

Oh this from tallulah

"Men think of women as functioning in relation to men. We are there to support and facilitate them, to look after them, provide sex, enhance their idea of themselves, help them manage their emotions, above all give them our attention.

What men really hate is when women demonstrate that we are autonomous beings with our own personhood and opinions and needs and aims that we may prioritise over the imperative to exist primarily to support and meet theirs."

Loads of "nice" men, nonviolent generally normal kind men, do NOT like it if a woman disagrees with them, challenges them. I have noticed this both at work and in my personal life.

Elendon-
Those are already covered by law- public order act
If u read lettuces post she said;

It's not a minority of men......every scathing comment from a man about how a woman looks, acts is violence.

So therefore a critical comment is violence- no its not, not alone. There is a difference there. As I said women and men will both make negative comments.
The whole speech is violence is a way of curtailing freedom of speech and opinion.

You are clearly not understanding the point being made though Missy

Kill the b*h within a game could be interpreted as an incitement towards an act of violence. It's a scathing remark and may well be in line of the way she looks and acts.

No woman has ever yelled at me out of a car to show her my tits, or threatened me with rape on a bus.

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I don't think it's true that both men and women do this sort of thing all the time. Men do it all the time. NAMALT obv. Are we busy pretending that they don't, at the moment? Why?

As for do men hate women-
Some men will, the same as there are some men who are racist, homophobic etc. All people are capable of exhibiting prejudice regardless of sex.
I think hate is a strong word, some men will have inconcious biases for sure- but hate is a bit extreme.

What men really hate is when women demonstrate that we are autonomous beings with our own personhood and opinions and needs and aims that we may prioritise over the imperative to exist primarily to support and meet theirs

Well, I have to say, this is my experience of men. There first to prioritise their needs and wants. And then looking at you strangely when you don’t and reclaim your personhood.
Also interesting to see that those can also be the same men who are seen as ‘nice’ because they shoulder some of the HW and parenting.
And that even when there is some equality in the relationship, this most often goes to pot when the woman has a child.

Most men don't see women as real people in the same way they see men as real people.

Lots of women don't either.

Men not seeing women as real people makes it easier for them to do the things they want to do. Pay us for sex they know we don't want, get us working for free looking after them, watch us having all sorts of stuff done to us in porn, insult and abuse us in real life. Treat us as stereotypes, disrespect us, leer at us, wank at us, all the stuff. The level at which our non-personhood varies around the world but it is always there to a greater or lesser extent.

Lettuce said EVERY scathing remark-
Kill the bitch is most appropriately covered by public order act.
A scathing remark doesn't have to be accompanied by the threat of violence.
Saying "I could kill you" is sometimes a figure of speech not intended.
If someone makes a threat AND there is risk of it immediately being carried out - then in law it may be considered assault, otherwise no.
Speech and every negative comment is in not necessarily violence.

Dismiss us, insult our intelligence, patronise us. Treat us as a "pretty face" who is there to smilingly listen to theit boring talk.

So many men get angry when they meet women who won't smilingly listen to them prettily.

missy what about the things I mention, your opinion on them.

Kill the bitch is most appropriately covered by public order act

How Missy?