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Woman's Place UK meeting in London, 27 Feb

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PlonitbatPlonit · 05/02/2018 21:52

Just announced on their twitter and Facebook, Woman's Place UK are doing a meeting in London. If it's anything like the Bristol event it will sell out....

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-making-a-stand-tickets-42865237078

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Gendarme · 27/02/2018 21:05

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JaimesGoldenHand · 27/02/2018 21:05

I've left now. Wasn't sure what time it was finishing. I enjoyed it, especially the speakers. As I've said, I thought some of the floor contributions got very embroiled in detailed individual cases relating to party politics, which detracted from things a bit.

I also wondered in the end what the point was. The Panel didn't answer questions or respond to statements from the floor so in a way it did become like a Mumsnet thread. Which is fine if you're reading a Mumsnet thread but I suppose I hoped for something more concrete.

Anyway I'm glad I went.

theaveragewife · 27/02/2018 21:06

Sophie Walker? Interesting - hoping this makes a difference and I can re-join the WEP.

JaimesGoldenHand · 27/02/2018 21:09

There are clearly some internal issues to resolve there but, yes I thought what she had to say was interesting.

NaiceBiscuits · 27/02/2018 21:16

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CAAKE · 27/02/2018 21:16

Here's the tweet about the MN shout out. Brilliant!

Woman's Place UK meeting in London, 27 Feb
Geronimoleapinglizards · 27/02/2018 21:22

I'm picturing you all having been furtively looking at your phones trying to update us whilst also trying to clock other people with Mumsnet on their phone screens.

WiggyPig · 27/02/2018 21:23

I had to leave before the end but I think the best was already over. Glad I went and nice to see some of you!

SophoclesTheFox · 27/02/2018 21:24

How fantastic! wish I could have gone - Miranda Y & Karen IS - would have been totally star struck too Grin

Hope you all get home safely, it's baltic out there.

TerfyMcTerface · 27/02/2018 21:27

What did Sophie Walker say?

Nosetothesun · 27/02/2018 21:29

I've just donated to WPUK and booked to attend the Birmingham meeting having followed the twitter feed and page here. Thanks to all who have contributed.

Gendarme · 27/02/2018 21:34

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MacaroonMama · 27/02/2018 21:42

Wow that was great! Was looking for Mumsnetters but found another mum from my kids' school! Great serendipity. I hope we can go to the Head with the transgendertrend resource pack soon...

Some really interesting points raised about language, power, making sure the rights of differently-oppressed peoples are not made to conflict and that everyone has their needs met.

Miranda Yardley said we shouldn't be saying 'she' and 'her' when referring to TIMs which was interesting as she (agh, he? I don't want to upset anyone!) said it was perpetuating a lie (words to that effect). Shortly before Miranda spoke, two other TIMs though they described themselves as TW spoke, about trying to find common ground, and trying to be the trans-reasonable as an antidote to the trans-activists. I thought they were brave. Some people didn't agree with them.

And the WEP party stuff was - well, Datun (yes the mighty Datun! Only a few rows behind me!) got it right when she said Sophie Walker should, on the strength of this meeting, go home right now and rewrite the women/TW policy and publish it on the WEP website tomorrow. Absolutely. How could she failed to be moved emotionally, and have any concerns answered factually and intellectually.

I was not brave enough to speak. Those who did were great. The Scottish woman in the gallery who called us all sisters, just WOW!

So pleased I went. 🍷🍷🍷 to you all xxx

Gendarme · 27/02/2018 21:46

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ReluctantCamper · 27/02/2018 21:49

yes, I am agog re WEP and Sophie Walker. A bit of an about turn for her to attend surely?

MacaroonMama · 27/02/2018 21:51

Hi Gendarme
Yes Sophie Walker was there and she said they are listening to their members and building from the grass roots and looking for people to help them build policy - that they are "just slow". She actually used that phrase! Bit odd as surely it is ideological? Anyway. She missed what Datun said, and she seemed tired and low.

Heather Brunskell-Evans was also there and spoke for a couple of minutes about why her post was rescinded from her - she had said publicly that the WEP believed gender to be a social construct, but a TIM had complained, and the WEP went through with the complaints procedure, then asked her to give up her spokeswoman role, at which point she resigned from membership.

MacaroonMama · 27/02/2018 21:52

It was brave of SW to attend and to speak, but she could totally have had a big apologetic conversion moment, could and should!

JaimesGoldenHand · 27/02/2018 21:52

She said the WEP were listening and were slow rather than opposed - ie they were trying to formulate a policy but don't have huge resource to help them. And of course, though she didn't say this, they are where they currently are and can't completely backpedal without significant repercussions. Probably evaluating whether there are more votes in trans rights or women's right.

JaimesGoldenHand · 27/02/2018 21:53

Sorry, cross post

MacaroonMama · 27/02/2018 21:57

Jaimes yours much more articulate than mine! Thank you! (Tired)

ReluctantCamper · 27/02/2018 21:59

hmm, interesting. a bit of a change in position from her webchat. maybe the world is starting to look slightly less black and white to WEP. I mean they still don't get it (allowing men to stay over night in maternity wards? no thanks), but they might make themselves slightly relevant.

AskBasil · 27/02/2018 22:02

Wish I could have gone.

But... snow.

Hope it all went well

AskBasil · 27/02/2018 22:04

"Probably evaluating whether there are more votes in trans rights or women's right"

They're not very good at maths are they?

Must be their laydee-brains...

TerfyMcTerface · 27/02/2018 22:04

“Just slow”. That’s inexcusable. This issue has been brewing for years. And they are a single(ish) issue party. As some wag pointed out to WEP on Twitter: You had ONE job.

WiggyPig · 27/02/2018 22:04

SW can’t do anything right now as the leadership election is going on and everything is suspended til that ends (can’t remember the political terminology but you know what I mean)