#itsallgoingpeaktrans

[iamawoman]

Just wanted to say that😀

I'm a huge supporter of trans rights. possibly because unlike many of you I actually know quite a lot of trans people.

i am currently though having an argument with someone who is trying to tell me that childbirth is not a woman's issue because NAW.

He's obviously wrong. I am telling him so. But an idiot mouthing off, who isn't even trans but is just a MRA doesn't make me reach "peak trans" - it makes me feel sorry for the transcommunity that their struggle is being hijacked. it doesn't make me think that it's ok to say that transwomen are not women

Fighting against allowing transwomen access to changing rooms because of this would be like throwing black people off the buses again because of Malcolm X.

you cant judge an entire group of people on the extremes of that group. If people are wanking in changing rooms, they are committing a public order offence and deserve to be punished for that. but don't punish everyone who shares some other characteristics with them.

hipster I absolutely agree we need to keep the categories 'TIM' and 'rapey bastard' separate in our heads. And in law.

And I do agree that more trolling happens online than is likely to happen in rl. I just notice that the argument for self ID goes a) that rapey bastard was just posing as a TIM, real TIMs just want to have a wee like everyone else AND b) don't be stupid, it's totally unrealistic that rapey bastards would pose as TIMs to access women. Both cannot be true.

At the end of the day anyone self-iding as a TIM and being a rapey bastard is an argument against self-id. It doesn't actually matter who they really are or why they're doing it.

So we should just let all biological males into female safe spaces ?

Why do you think we have female safe spaces in the first place ?

What a fucking insult to the experiences of black women.

it makes me feel sorry for the transcommunity that their struggle is being hijacked

This

We need to maintain some form of gatekeeping to prevent further hijack.

Because some people seem determined to segregate based on biology?

Some people wore blackface, some people appropriate feminism created for black women.

And why do you think segregation based on biology might have been required ?

Have Been being the operative words.

I totally agree with safe spaces. I just don't think we have to segregate them based on the possession of a penis.

I've raised a feminist son. I'd feel far safer in any space with him than I would with women like Katie Hopkins or Anne Widdicombe

You sound like a racist misogynistic Katie Hopkins to me.

So there’s no longer any need for safe spaces for women ?
Seriously ?

Women’s refuges ?
Hospital wards ?
Changing rooms ?

Unfortunately due to Male pattern violence having a penis is the exact reason we need to have sex based safe spaces for biological women.

Declaring yourself female does not make someone not a biological male.

Biological males account for the vast majority of all violence, in particular sexual violence.

Transwomen do not break from this patter.

Fighting against allowing transwomen access to changing rooms because of this would be like throwing black people off the buses again because of Malcolm X.

No love. The current trans activist nutters are advocating something along the lines of white people stomping to the back of the bus and telling Rosa parks to give up her seat! Transsexual (genuine people with dysmorphia) have ALWAYS used women's facilities, because we were courteous enough to let them.

And I have known a few transvestites in my time. The one who decided they were "transgender" is a pretry messed up and agrressive individual who I used to pity.
My politeness is gone and so is my pity, sadly.

Folks, can we dial down the rhetoric a bit? I don't think it helps the quality of the debate to describe each other's views as 'disgusting' etc. If someone is really being offensive, report them.

nutters yes.

so tell them they are nutters. plenty of trans people do.

don't curate the nutters, share their views all over social media and make the extremes fuck up the lives of normal people.

MrsMcGarry we have to, because they are trying to get into our safe spaces.

We know these people don't represent the trans community and we are angry for trans people that they are being lumped in with nutters. But that's what self id does. That's why we're against it.

Several FB friends broke cover and reached #PeakTrans yesterday. A Green party member, an ex Liberal democrat that campaigned for Labour in the last election and one who has never been a feminist or political before.

its not self id that does it, its nutters.

and if you are so angry for trans people, why are you throwing them under the bus being driven by the nutters?

And there are plenty of anti-trans nutters as well - so many women who have never met a transperson (nutter or not) are basing their anger on the social media posts of nutters which are being amplified by the arguing and sharing of female nutters. The nutters have taken over the entire debate and it damages women and transwomen.

I think mrs doubtfire sorry mcgarry 😀is missing the point as well as what has been happening is that the mras/tras are being listened to and as a result if we dont push back hard then we will be in a situation whereby next time ask for a female to carry out an intimate health examination then i could be faced with a man with a beard and to kick up a fuss about it would make me appear transphobic, women will not be able to undress in a ladies changing room on the offchance a man walks in and no one challenges in case he self ids as a woman etc etc. We are not against transrights but these are not womensrights

Mrs mcgarry please define nutter?

The nutters have taken over the entire debate and it damages women and transwomen

I couldn't agree more.

How do we keep them out?

I don't doubt that this whole thing is driven by a few loons on Twitter ( I don't do Twitter-to me it's just a marketing tool or a forum for the green ink brigade) but the fact is the mainstream media and therefore the mainstream politicians and schools are basing policy on the drivel that a few lunatics come out with.
Probably because the perverts and the mysoginists have hitched their wagon to the LGB movement, and most people think that being in favour of "trans rights" is the same as being in favour of gay marriage or something.
It's not on the radar of most people (yet) that men in knickers are trying to take up space that should be just for women.

I think I peaked at the point when a man won CBB in their special Year of the Woman "all female" series...

Penis and the male violence that accompanies it is exactly why we have safe, segregated spaces. Why else would we have them?

How are women meant to distinguish between proper trans and MRA nutters? The trans umbrella has been opened so wide that it encompasses practically anyone.

If self ID becomes enshrined in law there is no point having any segregated services. Maternity services and labour/ delivery wards will be the last bastion of things that are solely for women and it's only a matter of time before transactivists come up with some batshit word salad to disrupt those.