Tamsin sutherland

[iamawoman]

countrysquire.co.uk/2017/10/28/transinister/

Interesting and thoughtful article

I do get that frog. I am thoughtful about things like that.

But my views on what to read and what sources to trust have been thrown with the recent reporting of trans and women's rights. The Guardian appears to be deliberately omitting critical facts around women's safety where the Mail will report it. They're ALL biased sources, just different bias. Reading - and critically evaluating - as many of them as possible is the best way to get a biased viewpoint.

Meant to say get an unbiased viewpoint, but I guess autocorrect is also suspicious of my own filters!

I don't think there are any links between trans activism, immigration and Islam frogsoup. I didn't notice you being threatened with an IP address search but if so I agree that is absolutely not on

I reported the IP threat. I may possibly be the reason its been deleted.

I don;t agree with a lot of whats being posted, however I am always interested in..different opinions. So I have found the thread interesting whilst not agreeing with a lot of it.

The key is your own integrity and ability to think critically through an issue and come up with your own conclusions, listening carefully to what people say and questioning why they say it and being aware of their possible biases. I read everything from the Guardian to little local papers although paywalls do annoy me!

Hmm... everyone thinks they won't be tricked by charlatans, and yet so many are. If you're sure you don't want to be hypnotised you don't look at the watch. That's my feeling on things.

You'd end up not looking at a great many things though wouldn't you? Just about everything has been accused of bias or been proven to have a degree of bias. I suspect if I turned away from just about everything that may or may not trick me I'd end up reading 'See Spot Run' - all the time.

I know I venture to places others may be more cautious - but I have an inbuilt "this is bullshit" voice that kicks in after having given things consideration - I am sure I can't be the only one.

its important for those with robust critical thinking skills to keep an eye on what the hypnotists are up to, otherwise who is going to challenge their narrative?

Oh definitely Tallulah, but you can watch the hypnotist without looking at the watch I think.

It's a fine balance.

It's one thing keeping an eye on both the daily mail and the guardian. But reading breitbart as part of forming 'a balanced view' is bizarre. It's a far-right site with links to neo-nazi groups and no compunction about making up entirely fake articles. At least the UK print media has a press complaints commission and regulation of sorts. Breitbart though? You know there are nutcases out there, how on earth does it help you gain a balanced perspective to read a bit of racist hate propaganda along with your morning cereal?!

Agreed on keeping an eye on those attempting to mislead, but I'm still not going to wade through the various rants that Infamous just posted and rebut every single claim. As I said upthread, doing so would clearly be a waste of time, same way I don't stop and have political debates with the homeless guy who rants at me about chemtrails.

Wow, this thread went weird.

I do think we need to be clear that noone here is reviling, threatening, doxxing, spitting on or otherwise being horrible to infamousT - that's ridiculous hyperbole. There are posters disagreeing, and I'm very much one of them, but I don't have the energy right now to detail out why - there's an awful lot there. frogsoup, I get you.

It helps you to know what other's are thinking and make an informed choice.

There's a big difference between having a 'go to' site and stumbling across something and having a read.

frog said very well what I suppose I was getting at. I know from a variety of sources all I need to know about Breitbart to be sure I don't need to hear what they have to say.

RE the various commenters praising Infamous earlier in the thread, my take is that there's a tendency for any trans person who appears to be gender critical who shows up to be showered with praise because everyone is so happy to see any deviation from the uncritical "no debate" stance usually adopted by TRAs. It's that dynamic that could use a bit of a rethink, imo, because I think it was that more than anything Infamous actually said that promoted the response. Give people some time to show you who they are and they usually will (so for example I'm now totally willing to engage with Pigeon because I've seen enough to go oh, hey, this actually is a sensible person worth talking things out with, whereas at a certain point Infamous headed in the other direction.)

I don't really have a 'go to' site, I ramble across the internet and far from reading any one site exhaustively I tend to come across stuff usually through reading one thing then finding another from that.

I think you'll find there are any number of clear headed and sensible people within this debate. But the main thing I do worry about and which T touched on is the concerted efforts to silence people, the whole no debate thing worries me more than most things. It seems to me that slogans such as this seem more prevalent recently than in previous times: no debate, no platform etc. We won't be on the same 'side' for everything but I do see that many of us have come together and we want to fight this corner and we may have to put aside our normal politics to do that.

Well. I still like InfamousT. I am fond of people who piss everyone off. They give me a sense of security. If there's one thing you can be certain of, when everything is in a state of flux, T will still be pissing people off.

I don't think my fondness is only because T male and gender critical, I like the turns of phrase, the passion and the conviction. I wouldn't feel the same about a TIM who was boring and unoriginal.

Felt a bit sorry about the spiralling out randomness, but its not the end of the world.

I'm still checking in but I really must do some work! I need to get it done! Argh! This is so distracting...

Yeah, ornery bastards are a soft spot for me too. I think Infamous's theory that Islam is plotting to destroy the West by transing children is nonsense though - there are plenty of people and organizations closer to home more likely to be responsible, and in terms of global conspiracies the major players are the US, the EU, China, and Russia. The only Muslim majority country with any claim to being a significant global player is Saudi Arabia, and I really don't see them as having anything to do with this particular mess.

I think ideas should be talked about and tested. I don't think it's a coincidence that polarised views are emerging in this era of censored debate.

I don't think it's a coincidence that polarised views are emerging in this era of censored debate.

Exactly

The trans issue is made more complex because the opposition to the ideology has meant very disparate groups have found common ground but not always for the same reasons. It's a bit of a headfuck.

I've read a number of Federalist articles I've thought were well written and have broadly agreed with but I don't wish to align with the Fundamental Christian Right.

I will be relieved if the DUP are one of the reasons that the Torys are backtracking on GRA reform but I don't support or align with the DUP.

Ditto any argument against TRAs that neo nationalists have.

I do like reading a range of views, even those I deem unpleasant but I want my personal activism to be purely centred on rad fem foundations and pro female arguments.

I remember the QC that withdrew his support from the petition and without question, there was something going on behind the scenes. It was sinister. He wouldn't talk about it.

I’m pretty sure the only thing Jo Maugham QC was thinking about was his leftist credentials.

I agree Ova in that most people's activism should be based on personal principles rather than alignment with other factors. My alignment tends to be with me in that I find this whole thing worrying in the impact on women and children. Not particularly rad fem but definitely pro-female.