So now there is a K (for Kink) in the LGBTQIACHKP+

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www.thegayuk.com/there-is-now-a-k-in-lgbtqqicapf2k/

And the commenters in this mag not too pleased about it

Much as I want to Drop The T (and Q) right now, it's clear that the career-Queers at the top won't allow it. However, I think it's only a matter of waiting a few years, because once they've used our organisations and money to entrench themselves in positions of significant power, I'm quite certain the T will be the ones kicking us out, for being "transphobic". I also imagine it'll be about then that they start 'terfing' out the "truscum" and "transmedicalists", before turning on the TIFs.

Thehairbod-
That was a ridiculous article that cherry picks verses out of context with no understanding of any sort of theology. Typical anti religious propaganda, which has been done over the years to lessen resistance to the increasing onslaught sexual "freedoms".
All western traditional values are being undone, and religion needed to go. Same reason communists have always attacked religion.
Typically sexual freedoms usually increase as real freedom decreases, we are headed towards a totalitarian state.

but just don't put much store in any emotional component.

Isn't that "aromantic"? Oh who the fuck knows or cares!

I was just having a conversation on the back of this thread and I do think as a PP said, it was when the T was added plus another PP's observation regarding the internet.

What has happened (I think) is that connectivity, instead of creating a Glorious Global Community has created delineation and extreme schism and egotism.

Whereas we lived in small communities with a diverse mix of personality types in which people had to get along, we now have an environment in which every proclivity can find a community and become ever-more extreme in their beliefs and behaviour.

LGB were pre-internet and had a genuine movement for equal rights within relationships or an actual legal right to have sex with a partner of their choice. It was important and necessary.

The movement now seems more about personal validation of sexual choices. Which nobody other than the individual actually gives a shit about.

Which suggests to me, as was ever thus, that people who will not shut the fuck up about what they like to do (or not) with their genitals should probably keep it to themselves.

(And probably have the most uninteresting, proscribed sex ever).

Yes, I think now that we are approaching two decades of mainstream internet usage and roughly a decade of social media usage we are seeing the downsides to having so much access and knowledge at our fingertips. I say this with the caveat that the internet has a great many upsides too.

I don't have an answer to the dilemma btw. Short of some disaster scenario that leaves us with no or limited electricity I think this Genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

It does Ova, I've been online for 25 years and life now is unrecognisable from when I was in my late teens.

I'm glad I'm not in my late teens now.

Me too. My first introduction to the internet was at university, dial up that took forever to load rather dull pages. I could never have imagined that it would become what it has.

Which is why I'm not a billionaire online pioneer.

I'm guessing you're about the same age as me Ova

Jeez.

I remember the 'T' being added on - when I was at uni, it was always LGB.

Who knew what that would lead to??

Probably, I'm early 40s and I miss the 90s

Mid 40s here Ova.

He was told he was a bigot for asking questions, but also told he was a bigot because he didn’t know the answers to the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask!

Whole thing in a nutshell, innit? A proper ally would have already educated themselves! Because glitterqueer people are so fascinating, you see, that obviously bigotry is the only reason one wouldn't sit around googling definitions all day.

I'm sure that I know (and am related to) plenty of people who'd technically qualify as kinky but, much like the vegetarian friend who I didn't know was a vegetarian until we had lunch together and were choosing a place to go, it's not something I'm necessarily aware of because they're not trying to use their label as a substitute for a personality.

Isn't that "aromantic"? Oh who the fuck knows or cares!

I always initially read this as "aromatic" and want to respond with "you know, bathing more often might help with that".

My reaction to this was...what? Why?

And then I thought, am I being a bigot here, being as I’m also of a religious persuasion?

And then I thought um, no, kink is (presumably) something you do IN PRIVATE, so why on earth would it affect your rights or safety in public? If you’re gay or lesbian or bisexual in a same sex relationship there are parts of the world that are actively dangerous to you, and there are people even in countries with same sex marriage who’d be happy to beat you up.

Unless you’re fighting for your right to be kinky in public spaces, why would you add it to a campaign group?

Maybe it’s not a campaign group any more. Maybe it’s more like a social club? (Or a religion, ha.) Because if you’re British, what rights are you missing? Never mind the countries you’d be stoned to death in, let’s publicise how kinky and open minded we are!

Though I’m always wary of asking “what rights don’t [group] have in this country?” Because even if the answer is actually “none” you still sound like an MRA.

Reminds me of my gay friend who joined an 'inclusive' organisation and, when she filled in the monitoring form, heterosexual/bi sexual/homosexual/prefer not to say had been replaced by 36 different options. 36!!

She said a) it was so wooly that she could have ticked about 6 of them and stating b) if you are/'identify as' homosexual/heteroromantic or asexual/homoromantic; heterosexual/homoromantic; heterosexual/aromantic; homosexual/aromantic (to name 5 of them) is a level of detail probably too far.

Also reminds me of when I was 21 and I met a 17 year old gay lad who asked me what my sexual preference was (only a 17 year old would think it an appropriate question to ask someone they'd just met). When I told him, he sneered "oh really? I thought you'd be more interesting than that".

Point I was trying to make is that, for some peoole, they feel their sexual preferences are the only interesting thing about them.

If I were LGB, I think I'd be really pissed off at having all these extra letters/people tagged on.

I have had to look up a few of the terms later in the list and don’t understand why they are there. Ally and Friends & Family appear just to refer to people who are close to people who identify with the alphabet soup and stand up for their right to live a peaceful life.

I and probably half the people I care about are gender non-conforming in some way (I like prog rock and DIY, and don’t wear heels for instance). One of my dearest friends is a lesbian, and I know and care about plenty of other lesbians and gay men. I undoubtedly also know and care about plenty of people who are bi, questioning and celibate, and I’d be staggered to learn all my friends were entirely kink-free (assuming ‘kink’ includes all non-vanilla sex), but I can’t categorise anyone in this way because we haven’t talked about it. My ex was definitely aromantic, but I’m still quite fond of him, so does that also count? 😄

So surely we’re all in there, part of the massive alphabetti spaghetti? I don’t understand what it’s for. I am quite old though.

Mid 40s here Ova

Mid 40s here too, and terribly glad I was a young lesbian in the 1990s, not now.

I've just read the article and my response was the same, WiseUp.

So, as I have friends who are L and G and my son's friends include P, G and A... surely we're all covered by it somewhere along the line...

Unless you’re fighting for your right to be kinky in public spaces, why would you add it to a campaign group?

There are loads of these though - lots of tabloid and magazine stories about couples who use leads in public... who would probably argue that it’s not a sex thing, it’s a ‘dynamic’ or their identity so why shouldn’t they? (Its too early still for me to risk googling those though - sorry...)

so why shouldn’t they?

Because including other people in your scene without their permission is a violation of consent. If you want to lead someone around on a leash in public that's what fetish clubs are for.

LGB - and indeed the 'old-style' T - are having a mockery made of their hard won rights by this nonsense of adding 'kink' and whatnot on - it's utterly laughable to say that someone would be discriminated against for a liking of kink.

And don't even get me started on the the other letters -what the fuck do they all mean? Friends and family, 2 spirit, questioning, curious? wtaf.

LGB need to REMOVE themselves from this Tragedy of the Ludicrous.

so why shouldn’t they?

Oh god, that’s not my opinion angry, I’m just putting it forward as what they would argue.

Both my feet are firmly in the ‘get a room’ camp!