So now there is a K (for Kink) in the LGBTQIACHKP+

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www.thegayuk.com/there-is-now-a-k-in-lgbtqqicapf2k/

And the commenters in this mag not too pleased about it

I remember how unwelcome and unpleasant my college LGB society were to me. I’m B and there was a very vocal group who didn’t believe the B had any place in LGB

See this is what I mean by internecine conflict. It's alll getting a bit "People's Front of Judea" arguing the toss with the "Judean People's Front".. as Monty Python pointed out - the only way you stop each of these groups dividing and splitting is when each movement has only one individual.

Perhaps that's where we will end up anyway.

Porn ok? Sex robots? All forms of sexual fetish?
If not, why not, and what, if any control should society have to protect them from the harmful consequences?

Well I also think 'control' in the form of sending unmarried mothers to a home and then chucking their 'bastard' babies into mass graves is pretty fucking disgusting as well.

Although I'm sure you will tell me that that's not what 'true' religion is about.

Yes exactly hairbod- that isn't the religion, it's not in scripture, it's down to people

What was considered deviant (and punishable by death) is now tolerated and accepted in most fair societies. That is a good thing in my book. As long as those not able to protect themselves are not harmed or endangered - I say live and let live. Why should I be worried if someone enjoys something I don't? I certainly don't get annoyed about the acronym getting longer and longer.

Traditional religion has been replaced by the "religion of the self" there's no god or deity as such, but the self is god.
The Trans movement is about holding strong beliefs not based in material reality and crying "heresy!" "Blasphemy!" at anyone who disagrees with you. Holding secret "spiritual" knowledge that only you understand about your awareness of reality and others simply need blind faith to agree with you and go along with it. It's very cult like and religious.

I think it all went wrong as soon as T was added.
Maybe with all these other letters, it would now be OK for LGB to break away and form a new sub-group of their own?? It's absurd though isn't it. Everyone needing to "identify" and label their sexual preferences. No. One. Cares.

Why would people who don't want to have sex need to organise in any way?

I don't get this, either. Nobody ever got thumped in the street because they weren't holding someone's hand.

And in the wilder reaches of ace "discourse" that I've seen, there's often a thing about "dirty allosexuals" (allosexual = their word for people who aren't asexual), which since lesbians, gay men and bi people have been told gay sex is dirty for forever, pisses me off.

(And there's another thing where people who identify as asexual still choose to have sexual partners and say they experience desire, and so I am baffled as what the fuck asexuality is supposed to be anyway.)

I'm all for people having as little, or as much (safe, consensual) sex as they want. Actually being asexual = fine, and relatively common. Insisting it makes you queer = not fine.

Maybe with all these other letters, it would now be OK for LGB to break away and form a new sub-group of their own?? It's absurd though isn't it.

Two reasons. One is that LGB conveys "respectability". The other is related and it's that without LGB, people from outside might look and think pervs.

This makes no sense? Who is deciding these additions.

L, G and B are not sexual preferences. They aren’t lifestyle choices, ways of presenting and certainly are not mental disorders. Who has deciding they have to align themselves with all those things?

And why the fuck do people have to define themselves as Kinky? FFS most of us enjoy a vast array of ‘types’ of sex but don’t feel the need to make it a lifestyle. Why do they need a political movement?

Honestly all this identity bollocks is seriously making my head hurt. Most people grow out of needing a tribe when they leave school.

I’m a happily heterosexual pink haired woman who no longer sleeps with other women and wears almost no makeup or dresses. I feel no need to describe myself as a bisexual gender queer AFAB female (or whatever) but I think that’s just because I’m old. Where has this all come from?

"Traditional religion has been replaced by the "religion of the self" there's no god or deity as such, but the self is god"
Patodp- very much agree with this and I think it's causing a lot of narcism.
It's this very concept that the bible says, when humans put themselves above god they will fall. Probably down to self ruin.

Like you ArcheryAnnie, I'm also bemused by asexual including people who have loads of sex, with many partners or just the one, and take pleasure from it, but just don't put much store in any emotional component.

And why the fuck do people have to define themselves as Kinky?

Probably the same reason poly people usually tell you they are poly - because it's the only mildly interesting thing about them? (Except it isn't interesting at all.)

(I've got no problem with people being poly, unless - and this is a common thing, now - they go on and on and on and on about it, and posit it as the new, enlightened way of being in a relationship, superior to boring old monosexuals.)

It’s a bit like the difference between vegans and VEGANS I suppose.

Probably the same reason poly people usually tell you they are poly

It reminds me of the joke "How can you tell if someone is vegan?"

If I've triggered any vegans with my veganphobic post I apologise profoundly.

Damn, just pipped at the post.

Hmmm, nauticant, I think that's a different thing. (I am currently trying to remember the tumblr-friendly word for that - I'm sure there is one.)

The thing is, all these ways of being are normal, and have been around forever. If a particular sexual orientation causes you to be discriminated against, structurally or personally or both, then collective action makes sense. If it doesn't - like asexuality or demisexuality (which I understand as "only fancying someone once you know them a bit", which is hardly anything out of the ordinary) - then by all means label yourselves, but none of the rest of us care.

Yes Annie. That. Exactly.

No one cares what sex you are having. It has no bearing on any other facet of your life. You’re not discriminated against because of it. Unlike WHO you are doing it with which for some reason made a difference to other people for so long.

Oh, and if people do care what type of sex you are having, then maybe STOP GOING ON ABOUT IT. Literally no one except your partner needs to know.

When I was at uni we had an LGB society. Mainly we met up, had a few drinks and went dancing. Now it is an LGBQT+ society with an asexuality rep. What does an asexuality rep do? "I didn't feel like a shag this week", "er, me either"?

I expect I am missing some sort of political point and am probably some kind of -phobic.

then maybe STOP GOING ON ABOUT IT. Literally no one except your partner needs to know.

And indeed telling people about it - unless they have specifically asked for details, or are in a situation (eg reading a blog called This Is What I Do In My Kinky, Poly Sex Life, Illustrated ) where you have to seek out those details - is involving other people in your sex life without their consent. Which is not on.

No one cares what sex you are having.

Well so long as it's consensual and with those above the age of consent.

What does an asexuality rep do? "I didn't feel like a shag this week", "er, me either"?

I figured that was implied Elendon. But maybe we need to add those preferences on? At least then it would be clear who to avoid.

I’m waiting for the TRAs to start throwing their toys out of the oram, because they’re nothing like the Ks. Course you’re not dear. 😏

Actually I think it’s brilliant they’ve joined because it’s just showing what a crock of shit this alphabet soup is and I hope the LGB members start a breakaway group. Of course they’d all be called bigots for doing so.

One of my boy’s young friends out a comment on FB, yesterday, to say he was called a transphobe because he didn’t understand trans and what it actually means when someone says they’re trans. He was told he was a bigot for asking questions, but also told he was a bigot because he didn’t know the answers to the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask! 🤔 He tried to explain he was asking questions in order to understand, but BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT! You couldn’t make this shit up. Btw, the young man is mixed race, gay and has Aspergers, so has a more than average understanding of being on the receiving end of bigotry!

Also to middle aged people with their much younger partners. Get a bloody room! Observer's are not jealous and are quite sick at the antics.

Just getting this off my chest.