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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So now there is a K (for Kink) in the LGBTQIACHKP+

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 30/01/2018 21:49

www.thegayuk.com/there-is-now-a-k-in-lgbtqqicapf2k/

And the commenters in this mag not too pleased about it

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Elendon · 31/01/2018 13:43

Sorry, but I do feel the qualifier is needed. Always!

Elendon · 31/01/2018 13:47

Positively that's appalling. My son, who is HF Autistic thinks there should be a separate category for all Trans and that women's spaces should not be compromised. He's adamant about this too and won't change his mind on it. He loves the Suffragettes and is quite taken by them and the history of it.

joystir59 · 31/01/2018 13:47

Speaking as a lesbian I don't identify with most of the others bits of the acronym. Got nothing in common with gay men, nothing in common with the homophobic T element.

walkingtheplank · 31/01/2018 13:48

Can someone explain the F in the alphabet soup? I understand that it means Friends and Family - is that having friends and family or wanting to have sex with friends and family?Confused

Melamin · 31/01/2018 13:49

One of my boy’s young friends out a comment on FB, yesterday, to say he was called a transphobe because he didn’t understand trans and what it actually means when someone says they’re trans. He was told he was a bigot for asking questions, but also told he was a bigot because he didn’t know the answers to the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask! 🤔 He tried to explain he was asking questions in order to understand, but BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT! You couldn’t make this shit up. Btw, the young man is mixed race, gay and has Aspergers, so has a more than average understanding of being on the receiving end of bigotry!

T'was ever thus. Some know-it-all-who-does-not-know-it-all thinks they know everything about a taboo subject and then holds it over their peers. I a naïve earlier world it was knowing where babies came from.

We seem to have come a long way from that, yet nowhere.

joystir59 · 31/01/2018 13:54

T has nothing to do with sexuality. It's actually homophobic and at odds with LGB. Stonewall only recently have in to the pressure and added the T. 'Transgender' is an homophobic category because it's all about gender not sex. It purports that someone in a male body, or modified male body can be a lesbian.

SomeDyke · 31/01/2018 13:58

In the ole days, although LG (and the many arguments that finally added the B) WASN'T actually about sex -- of course it was in terms of the many queries as to what EXACTLY lesbians did in bed as soon as you came out. :-(

As someone else already said, for me (including gay marriage), it was more to do with pension rights and hospital access and not getting thumped in the street for holding hands, that it was about sex. The male gaze, however, seems inordinately interested in what lesbians do (including the many pervy blokes who turned up at mixed gay nights just to lech over the dykes). LGB, we (possibly) have some stuff in common some of the time, but after that, T and anything else just nothing to do with us. T only there in the first place because the gay venues weren't going to freak out over a bloke in a dress.............

StealthPolarBear · 31/01/2018 14:02

What on earth is friends and family and the one after it??

Melamin · 31/01/2018 14:04

We have heard a lot in the past about how the T help the LGB and make the pride marches colourful........so it is now as if they are beholden. Like the person that buts in and helps then say you have to do it for them. All the virtue signalling is that they expect favours in return.

Elendon · 31/01/2018 14:07

I agree that T as it now stands re gender is homophobic, but it was added originally because it was about a homosexual who felt better dressed and living as a woman and other aspects of male dressing.

Miranda Yardley's thoughts on it:

mirandayardley.com/en/what-autogynephilia-is-and-what-is-it-not-a-brief-note/

Thehairthebod · 31/01/2018 14:14

What does an asexuality rep do? "I didn't feel like a shag this week", "er, me either"?

That made me laugh!

Elendon · 31/01/2018 14:14

The T then were cross dressers and drag artists and it was pretty mainstream at the time anyway. Think Pantomime dames. Think Les Dawson and Dame Edna Everage - though neither were very flattering to the older woman.

Datun · 31/01/2018 14:17

The thing is, all these ways of being are normal, and have been around forever. If a particular sexual orientation causes you to be discriminated against, structurally or personally or both, then collective action makes sense.

Which is what gay rights was all about.

Now it's 'discriminatory' for a lesbian to refuse a transwoman sex. Which obviously, in the legal sense of the word, it isn't. But who cares about legality when you can persecute women for sex?

Surely the K is only ever going to stand for paedophilia and maybe AGP. What else is there that is widespread enough?

Cos they're not likely to add an E for the woman who fetishised the Eiffel Tower.

The only reason they've added it is it because it's a prelude to forcing acceptance of it.

AGP is certainly hiding in plain sight. Demonstrated by the many (sanitised) articles appearing in the Guardian.

And, even now, there are youngsters identifying as drag queens and getting caught up in the whole sexualisation of minors.

I would like to say that there is no way attraction to minors is going to be legitimised.

But, given what else we are expected to swallow, I'm not so sure.

Datun · 31/01/2018 14:19

I've just realised why there is a campaign to makes paedophilia recognised as a sexual orientation.

Because sexual orientation is protected under the equality law.

Thehairthebod · 31/01/2018 14:25

Yes exactly hairbod- that isn't the religion, it's not in scripture, it's down to people

Scripture? Like this scripture?www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html

Also, you do realise the Bible was written by people....right?

SchrodingersFrilledLizard · 31/01/2018 14:29

I have a suggestion: let's call it ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRTUVWXYZ.

The only letter missing is 'S', which stands for Straight.

ThereWasABaboon · 31/01/2018 14:57

Please can someone explain to me why the Q for Queer is in this acronym

I get questioning but firstly isn't queer an outdated and offensive term that used to mean gay. & secondly how is it different from the "LGBTQI" part. What does it add exactly?

OnTheList · 31/01/2018 15:51

I genuinely can see a M for minor attracted being added someday soon. I think this is a large part of all of this trans stuff being pushed aggressively. Trans-age is the next one to become mainstream. And if you are actually a 10 year old trapped in a 50 year olds body...well...its all fine isn't it. Yuck.

I am surprised so many don't seem to be able to see where this is all going. Its PIE all over again, purposely keeping kids prepubescent also, creating 'legal children'..just wrong wrong wrong.

GuardianLions · 31/01/2018 16:05

The only letter missing is 'S', which stands for Straight.

How about gay people who 'identify as' straight?

FluffyFerrets · 31/01/2018 16:14

What the fuck man. What is wrong with just being people?
I don't need to know if a person is LGBT..... or whatever. If people are decent humans then I really don't give a rats ass what sexuality or legal sexual preference they have.
Are we going to get the point where we all have letters after our names?
Hi I'm Fluffy (mostly)S(sometimes)B(quite often)K :) :)
This world is going mad or has maybe gone already.

MiMi78 · 31/01/2018 16:17

My mind is boggling at what F for friends and family stands for Confused

SomeDyke · 31/01/2018 16:27

"I don't need to know if a person is LGBT........"
Usually, the 'I don't care if someone is gay' line is coming from someone who isn't sick of the assumption that everyone is straight......

The experience of lesbians (in my experience) is that people do care, and even if they don't, we all still worry that they might when you tell them, since the default assumption still is that women aren't.

Overall, sex, sexual orientation, these are things that effect your social interactions in some way, even if you wish they didn't. Peoples exact sexual proclivities don't unless you are unfortunately someone who sees the need to impose your exact preferences on everyone else (gay scene and whatever is the modern equivalent of the hanky code excepted for those of us who are still boring enough to actually meet in person rather than online....................)

FluffyFerrets · 31/01/2018 17:14

While understanding what you mean. I seriously and 100% honestly could not care less what sexuality people are. Nor do I assume that people are straight. I've enough life experience to know that's simply not true.
I can only speak for myself but if I meet a new person for the first time I am more interested in whether or not they are nice good humans and absolutely not whether they are straight, gay, bi etc... it doesn't cross my mind.

SchrodingersFrilledLizard · 31/01/2018 17:23

How about gay people who 'identify as' straight?

I: identifyingasbeingstraight.

thebewilderness · 31/01/2018 17:53

At this point adding a P for predator would cover the majority of the letters recently added to the LGB quiltbag.