Women come last in Labour's deranged victim hierarchy - Rod Liddle in The Spectator

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No punches pulled (but no names named either, probably sensible):

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/women-come-last-in-labours-deranged-victim-hierarchy/

Materialist your post has made me feel a great deal less conflicted about this article. I still don't like him, but as you say, that could be an advantage down the line.

I've just shared it on FB, and wanted to thank Kiss for all her hard work.

The thing is, if trans activist demands win out, the real, material consequences will be very bad — eventually that will come to light. And you know who will be blamed? Feminists and the LGB. The backlash will be horrible and indiscriminate, ordinary people outraged that feminists and the LGB demanded men have access to vulnerable girls and women, or that boys replace girls in sport.

I have to say I am less optimistic that there will be an eventual backlash to all this. I think it just as likely that women and girls losing rights, status and public space will come to be the new order of things, and people - men and women - will just accept that it's our lot in life, like they have in every misogynist society since the dawn of time.

I'm not even sure that the transing of kids will meet with a backlash - with the way things are going with transhumanism, extreme interventions in the body may also come to be seen as the new normal.

I hope I'm wrong about this.

Delurking to say thank you for this, @KissMaCis. I think it's a great article and a wonderful effort by you. Quite frankly, I almost don't care where the support comes from as long as this nonsense is stopped.

I’m talking this up to every dad of a daughter I know.

Could be a new strategy. Apart from my partner, the only people I've brought this up with IRL are women, because I think it's so important that women know what is going on (and even then I've had to be selective about who I talk to, as I work in an industry that is heavy on left-liberal group think). Dads of daughters might be a good way to go. Men are also less embarrassed in general to speak plainly about the issue, whereas women get anxiety about being seen as uncaring.

I’m talking this up to every dad of a daughter I know.

I mean, how are they going to feel when their daughter comes home from a Guide camp pregnant? Because all safeguarding was dropped as soon as a trans child showed up and their needs trumped everyone else's. Daughters will still be getting pregnant even if they're calling their boyfriends girlfriends.

It's a good strategy. My DF has been 'yeah doesn't affect me/ don't need to know about all this silliness' to this point, but peak transed this weekend on hearing about the woman who asked for a female HCP to do her smear test and was given a TIM nurse.

With two daughters, that raised a 'what?' from him that shook the windows. He was livid.

The transing of kids will absolutely be met with a backlash

This is devastating reading:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/956393002343194625.html

That poor child.

Getting this into men's awareness could make a real difference. The best way to do this is concrete examples, e.g. children (blockers and cross-sex hormones) and vulnerable women (medical treatment like above, male rapists in women's prisons) being put at risk, men cheating in women's sports, lesbians being put under pressure to have sex with men, etc.

The way to get the glazed over response is to go into the theory and to use the jargon. "There was a 60 year old woman in Hyde Park meeting other women to discuss bad changes to the law who was battered by a man pretending to be a woman" is more effective than endless TERF, M2T, TIM, "cis", non-binary.

Fist bumps MelonFarmer. A fellow baby eating Blairite. 😂 ❤️

I also voted for Blair. I think. I can't remember because I am too old. Oh dear. I don't assume people are any political persuasion. I am rapidly becoming confused about what I am altogether....

If you can self ID as a kid and you can't be challenged because 'transphobia', what is the to stop a boy sharing a tent with his gf on camp?

The parents can't complain cos social services.

It may be that someone has already pointed to this: Rod Liddle, woman beater (who dumped his wife on their honeymoon), and supporter of rapists.

gavindrake.co.uk/2015/01/08/a-journalist-with-a-police-caution-for-domestic-violence-describes-ched-evans-opponents-as-morons/

Really not sure, therefore, why his pompous pronouncement on feminism should be entertained at all, let alone seriously. (Apart from the transphobia, obviously).

Perhaps he can be right on some things sometimes?

I know that your ideology doesn't permit such thinking but sometimes it's worth thinking about what's in front of you rather than who said it.

It's allying with someone who is part of the problem, and therefore utterly self-defeating.

Well done Kiss
I liked it as well, comes from a completely different angle which is no bad thing. Know anyone at Private Eye now? Last couple of issues have hinted at being GC.....

Yes, I know Ron Liddle's history.

I also know that Labour expelling women for stating the biological truth that women don't have dicks, and the sociologically blindingly obvious observation that we are oppressed as a class because of our biology, and we can't identify our way out of that oppression is one of the biggest scandals going.

Two wrongs don't make a right, nor does pointing to one wrong mean that the other can be ignored.

And a sense of Ideological purity is going to win this argument?

I have to say when I saw RL I thought, wasn't he the one who divorced in a journalistic slanging match?

I liked his article, I hate that it takes an older rich white man to raise the issue safely, but I want the tide to turn.

Question just on QT tonight. Is the LP being taken over by Momentum. 😁

Ideological purity?

If you're happy to ally yourself with someone who actively wishes to maintain the very patriarchy that is the problem, the whole of the problem, and nothing but the problem, that's your choice.

I would rather keep him the fuck away from me. (And if that's the price for never 'winning' an argument on here and having 'ideological purity') I am more than happy to pay it.