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thebewilderness · 05/02/2018 01:18

I do not understand Labour's position that trans identified males are a subset of the female classification rather than a subset of the male classification. That makes no sense.

pamish · 05/02/2018 01:53

It's not just Labour. As I keep posting whenever I can. The Tories are leading on it. All parties except UKIP and DUP are following. They are all desperate for the youth vote and the TRAs have created a very powerful cult to entrap them.

pamish · 05/02/2018 02:35

Margot James MP has tweeted support of Janice Turner's Times article.

twitter.com/margot_james_mp/status/959696278706905089

That doubles the number of MPs who are sepaking out.
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MorningstarMoon · 05/02/2018 03:25

Place marking while i catch up

ChattyLion · 05/02/2018 07:14

Great that Margot James is doing this as an influential senior Tory, and as a lesbian MP. People will listen to her in her party. Thank you to her.

boatyardblues · 05/02/2018 07:19

I was at some work-related training on the GDPR recently and linking an individual to their (anonymous or otherwise) social media presence/accounts will be covered as a breach/abuse of sensitive data. Labour need to get ahead of this - and quickly - or else they will be looking at massive fines from May. I also wondered if that’s why the TRAs had done this now. Many of them work in tech roles, so should be aware of the scope if the imminent GDPR.

OlennasWimple · 05/02/2018 12:27

Lily Madigan is so self-absorbed that he thinks this is all about "TERFs" suing him

GrimDamnFanjo · 05/02/2018 13:11

Who is the third Labour member to be suspended?

Justabunchofcunts · 05/02/2018 13:26

Good question. Does anyone know?

pamish · 05/02/2018 13:36

young labour are just soooo woke

twitter.com/OscarGWard/status/959958632384385024
You’ll be happy to hear that #LYLAGM18 unanimously passed a motion backing the creation of a separate Trans officer role and the group affirmed its commitment to having all those who self-identify as women on the all-female shortlists!!

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 13:40

Oh well, perhaps Lily can stop playing at being Women's Officer now and go for Trans Officer.

What are the chances of that now.... mmm - zero to negative?

I can't vote Labour again.

OvaHere · 05/02/2018 13:46

twitter.com/OscarGWard/status/959958632384385024
You’ll be happy to hear that #LYLAGM18 unanimously passed a motion backing the creation of a separate Trans officer role and the group affirmed its commitment to having all those who self-identify as women on the all-female shortlists!!

But if they are what they say they are - men or women, why the need for a Trans Officer? Surely one negates the other?

NotTerfNorCis · 05/02/2018 14:10

I am 99% sure that their trans officer will be a TIM, not a TIF.

OvaHere · 05/02/2018 14:21

It will probably be Lily again. It's not like being a Women's officer takes up much of their time or is distinguishable between what a Trans officer would look like.

OlennasWimple · 05/02/2018 15:20

Oh well, perhaps Lily can stop playing at being Women's Officer now and go for Trans Officer.

There was a trans officer post on the CLP where LM is the Women's Officer, but he decided not to run for that....

OnTheList · 05/02/2018 16:22

You’ll be happy to hear that #LYLAGM18 unanimously passed a motion backing the creation of a separate Trans officer role and the group affirmed its commitment to having all those who self-identify as women on the all-female shortlists!!

If I am reading this right, there is a separate trans officer post (which I assume, needs to be held by a transperson? As thats how it should be) but also trans people can self identify their way onto the female lists? How fair and progressive

titchy · 05/02/2018 16:33

Maybe women could self identify as trans for the ATS?

whoaml · 05/02/2018 17:28

Maybe women could self identify as trans for the ATS?

Well according to some of my "woke" friends I am apparently either a non binary femme or agenda!

Which of course falls under the transgender umbrella.

whoaml · 05/02/2018 17:33

Ha ha agender

OlennasWimple · 05/02/2018 20:51

Yes, I was thinking about AWS / Trans officers / BAME shortlists...

If things are still the same as back in the day when I was at university, only a woman could stand for election as Women's Officer and only women could vote (we got given a separate ballot paper when we turned up to vote in the student union elections)

Is it the same with the trans officers that some CLP have (eg the constituency where LM is the Women's Officer)? Ie the candidate AND the electorate have to be trans? But who is the arbiter of eligibility? Presumably it's operated on an honour system so far, but the consequence of embracing self-ID is that someone who is not in anyway shape or form trans could stand for Trans Officer, whilst they surely couldn't deny anyone the right to vote for the trans officer because that would be "gate-keeping"

Similarly, as well as now apparently allowing anyone who says "but I'm a woman" to be included on AWS, the Labour party really ought to be allowing - for consistency - anyone who self-IDs as a woman to elect said Women's Officers. So men get to stand as Women's Officer and get to vote as well. Can anyone possibly see where this might all fall down...?

Never mind the all BAME officer proposal. How will they determine who is "black enough"? A sort of reverse "one drop" rule? Who gets to select the BAME candidates - should this be restricted to BAME party officers too?

TERFousBreakdown · 05/02/2018 21:05

You’ll be happy to hear that #LYLAGM18 unanimously passed a motion backing the creation of a separate Trans officer role and the group affirmed its commitment to having all those who self-identify as women on the all-female shortlists!!

If this were a question of technology architecture in the context of a business-critical IT system I'd have to compliment them on re-inventing the wheel concept of redundancy as a means to achieve fault-tolerance.

There! I just earned myself the much coveted 'Silver Lining' badge!

LapdanceShoeshine · 05/02/2018 21:42

Haven't RTFT so I don't know if anyone else has linked to this Guardian piece. Lily posted it on Twitter. Everything's hunkydory with self ID in Ireland apparently.

But:

There were 277 applications to change gender in Ireland from September 2015, when the legislation came into force, until September 2017

So it's hardly a massively significant number, is it? If I did my percentages right it's 0.006% of the population. I think the estimate of our current transsexual population is in the vicinity of 0.07% (& according to More or Less last week it's really hard to know, though I admit I wasn't paying full attention).

Irish population density is approx 70 per sq.km; UK 268, England 420. (Wales 149, NI 136, Scotland 69)

So England currently has 10 times as many transsexuals in a population 6 times denser. If self-ID is brought in the numbers will presumably be much higher. That would make the impact here a lot more than in Ireland.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/15/monumental-change-ireland-transformed-transgender-rights

Ereshkigal · 05/02/2018 22:22

I think it was a LGBTQ Officer role in Lily's constituency. So presumably anyone with blue hair who self identified as "queer" asexual etc could stand.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 05/02/2018 22:30

Jeez - when you register at LYLAGM18 you get a sticker with your pronouns on. There is also a safe space by the gender neutral toilet.

I can't see the vast structural engine for social justice that is the Welfare State lasting overly long once this shower get their mitts on it...

LangCleg · 05/02/2018 22:36

Under their ludicrous system, I am agender.

Perhaps we should identify as agender and take the movement over!