Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

[QuentinSummers]

Follow on from
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group?msgid=75082467#75082467

Jeez - when you register at LYLAGM18 you get a sticker with your pronouns on. There is also a safe space by the gender neutral toilet.

Wild.

I recently filled in a questionnaire and went trawling for the most ridiculous gender I could find. It was a fucking corker and, bizarrely, not actually false. Sadly, I’ve forgotten it.

I think Lily the superkid is both womens officer and lgbt officer at his uni, and student welfare officer as well. And womens officer for his LP branch. And doing a full-time course maybe degree, and applying for another degree (for which he cant afford the UCAS fee).

he's doing lots of speaking things too, he's due in enfield at a labour youth thing next week. is he also Youth Officer? Imagine what a reception he got at that labour youth thing at the weekend, which passed a unanimous self-id vote.

Gonna look a bit sick when he gets suspended for the data theft.

@pamish, except that's not going to happen, much deserved as it would be ...

What I really don't get, though, is how someone so incoherent, unable to cope with criticism and, frankly, inarticulate could become such a 'superkid' in the first place.

O tempora o mores?

i came across this today - gender inclusion policy at a string of stores (Target) in the US leads to a huge increase in sexual violence offences in their gender neutral changing rooms and bathrooms. Most commonly voyeurism/peeping toms and upskirt photos. Data drawn from reported cases before and after the policy was implemented.

95% victims female. 34% children. 100% male perps.

But it couldnt happen here, right?

womanmeanssomething.com/1034-2/

Under their ludicrous system, I am agender

Can I be post-gender?

I see the Lily lad is bleating about Jennifer James publishing a list of names from the Labour Against Transphobia group. But wasn't his group compiling a 'hit list' themselves? Aimed at getting people actually thrown out of the party? Lilliam has no shame at all.

I've just read a Twitter thread with a "socialist" Game of Thrones actor who has called Lilliam a 'brave pioneer' and telling a woman to "replace hatred with love".

Soooooo easy for him to say that, isn't it? Bloody Brocialists. Cool dude bro's - just loving that they have an excuse to berate women that don't do what they're told.

Then he refuses to discuss this any further "with a bigot." Which is about the level of debate at all levels - from Actors on Twitter all the way up to Members of Parliament. ie, you're a bigot, I'm not discussing it. Women - shut up.

Oh, and later down the thread, someone called "Jude" links to her profile and says "Be glad your employer isn't listed or I'd send them these tweets. Transphobic comments and targeted abuse isn't professional"

So that's lovely.

I wondered about the "safe space" at the Young Labour meeting: how was it managed? What would they do if a young woman went into it because she was being harassed by a man and wanted to get away from him like she used to be able to do with the ladies loos But then he also wanted to access the safe space, perhaps because someone saw his over-eager advances and threatened to punch him if he did it again.

Who wins? Who gets to stay, who goes?

Or if the same woman in my example above goes to the safe space because the harassment has been very triggering for her as she is a survivor of serious sexual assault and she just needs some time away from men to gather her thoughts. Then a TIM wants to access the space because someone said that he was really a man, and words are actual violence so he needed to get away.

Again, who gets to stay? The person who got there first? Who is in charge of asking someone to leave when there is a clash of needs?

hipster I recently filled in a questionnaire and went trawling for the most ridiculous gender I could find.

I found an amazing one a while back - I swear it was on Wikipedia but can't find it now. It basically said sometimes a person's gender can't be expressed in known words, so might be represented by a scream, for example.

Perhaps they got confused because they asked a TERF what their gender was and got a scream in reply...

Submit, or die, has been the theme song of the abusive authoritarian male for time out of mind. So, I get that.
What I do not get is people being so homophobic they are willing to sacrifice their children to doctors who want to experiment on them with drugs and surgery, and government agencies that sanction and support these practitioners.
Practitioners who see what is obviously Munchausen by proxy, and a child willing to do anything to please a parent, fast track children for transitioning.

4thwavenow.com/2018/02/02/freed-from-the-girl-pen-another-mom-and-desister-teen-tell-their-stories

"I unfortunately mistook overall body dysphoria and the emotional results of trauma for gender dysphoria and came close to ruining/mutilating my body in an attempt to fix it. ...All of a sudden, I had many new friends and I was getting a lot of attention for my new identity.....the harsh reality is if gender roles weren’t so ingrained into today’s society then a lot of kids might not even be transitioning at all"

what an articulate and thoughtful young woman, and sensible mum.

Also interesting the focus on gay male behaviour - or is it transman behaviour?

Who is in charge of asking someone to leave when there is a clash of needs?

There are no clashes of needs. Everyone is lovely and kind. And there's a REALLY FUCKING STRICT HIERARCHY, LIKE MASLOW ONLY WITH MORE WORDS ON IT AND YOU ARE AT THE BOTTOM CIS SCUM.

Kumbayah my Lord Kumbayah.

Certain

As a friendless and very technically-minded young person I could very easily have got on that bus.

Saw this cartoon on Twitter and thought of us here in Femenist Chat

Feminist

Someone on the Lily M thread has just pointed out that Southg Battersea Brownies have made it onto the list

Sorry am a bit behind, what list?

Brownies

Well, those Brown Owls can be right feisty - a bit suffragetty, dare I say it. They've never given the acceptance of boys much consideration afaik.

The TERF blocker on Twitter. I'd love to know what the wee ones did to end up on the naughty list.

Just - the list is being compiled by a facebook group of Lily Madigans mates - Labour Against Transphobia - a collation of names & social media postings they judge to be "transphobic".

They report them to the Labour Party - it's what got Jennifer James suspended.

It was meant to just be labour party members, but seems they're going full-on witch hunt.

Oh sorry - are you talking about the Terf blocker, not the Labour against Transphobia list?

I thought it was the TERF blocker that screenshot was from? Since the Brownies may well have a twitter account. Would be even funnier if it was a particular Brownies branch had been reported to the Labour party though - like, here is a list of small children, please eject them from the party immediately.