Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

[QuentinSummers]

Follow on from
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group?msgid=75082467#75082467

The way people are fawning over Madigan is sickening, he’s sly and manipulative but not terribly bright.
That rascist scumbag ‘christine’ is unbelievable, people on twitter surmising he’s autistic because of his bizarre ‘logic’ rather than just a dickhead 🙄
I’m getting a bit fed up of JJ and Venice venerating Corbyn and saying Labour will listen and be fair tbh. I don’t think he or the party gives a shit.

If Labour wanted balanced debate they would have stamped on the FB group and shut it down/ or suspended the instigators pending investigation. They’ve done precisely nothing.

that is obviously actual^ violence against transwomen. Misgendering.

As opposed to actual, actual violence against a 60yr old grandmother who was punched to the ground by transwomen in Hype park.

Hype park Hyde Park.

Dear, Lily Madigan.

Your name is Liam and you're an MRA in makeup, my dear. You are MALE and nothing you can ever say or do will change that.

Love, WOMEN.

I think Madigan is an example of self identified failed men doing in politics what their counterparts are doing in sport. Displacing women for personal advancement.

I may have missed that you've already flagged this, Lily Speaks!
www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-woman-politics-lgbt-rights-harvey-milk-san-francisco-trans-all-women-shortlist-lily-a8189166.html

Harvey Milk was a Gay man who advocated for Gay rights. There was no LGBT in 1978. Unlike the 20 year old Madigan, I was there. I remember it very well. Madigan is an enormous mendacious opportunist.

But Lily is a greater politician than Harvey Milk, because Lily Says So! Lily will be remembered in 40 years' time just like Harvey!
[This may be true but not for the reasons Lily thinks.]

Never forget Lily was voted into their post, by dozens of LP adults.

Why shouldn't Lily self-identify as a journalist you meanies?

Purely because they can't string a sentence together, have no rational thought, don't consider other points of view or be prepared to do work or research. Hypocrites all of you.

Anybody should be able to self-define as a journalist, despite journalist having no definition. And the term journalist has always covered non-journalists anyway.

Lily and Robert Fisk are on the same level, except Lily is better because trans.

Dinosaurs the lot of you.

AreYou or anyone else not blocked, do you have a screenshot of LM promoting a ‘down with cis’ group?

This is an excellent comment on the LM Indy article:

"You are clearly a very young "feminist". Please try to disengage from the Trans love-in, and apply some critical thinking skills. This is where Madigan and the GRA are taking us:

Eliminating media and all public discourse specific to females - it's "triggering"

Removal of the right of journalists to report the sex, and history, of subjects

Removing the legal right of women to assemble outside the presence of men

Eliminating data collection of sex-based inequalities in areas where females are underrepresented

Elimination of sex-based crime statistics - this is happening now, "women's" violence is on the rise, apparently (!) Have a look at this site transcrimeuk.com/2017-convictions/

Removing the legal right of women to organize politically against sex-based oppression by males

Removing the legal right of women to educational programmes created for women outside the presence of men

Elimination of sex-based crime statistics

Eliminating athletic programmes and sports competition for women and girls

Removing the legal right of women to be free from the presence of men in public facilities such as toilets or changing rooms

Elimination of grants, scholarships, board and trustee designations, representative positions, and affirmative programmes for women

Removing the legal right of women to create reproductive clinics, rape crisis services, support groups, or any organisations for females alone

Eliminating the legal right of lesbians to congregate publicly

Elimination of lesbian-specific organisations and advocacy groups

Removing the legal right of women to free speech related to sex roles and gender - No-platforming is already with us.

Elimination of females patient's rights to separate hospital facilities

Elimination of the right of females to prefer female providers for their intimate personal care

Elimination of the human right of female prisoners to be housed separately from male prisoners

Unlike any other “social justice” venture in history, Transgender Rights are unique in that they are completely based on eliminating the human rights that are specific to women.

Please explain why you think this is a good idea, and women should just accept it because some men "feel" female? What does that even mean? It's just saying "I prefer these stereotypes, therefore I am a woman". How do you think the more conservative cultures that make up modern Britain are going to react to the idea that MEN can just walk into changing rooms in schools, hospitals, shops etc when their wives and kids are in there? Do you think they will just shrug their shoulders, or do you think that the freedom of women and girls from these cultures will be curtailed? How would you fancy running into this bloke, for example?

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4390490.Cross_dressing_Burnley_burglar_jailed_indefinitely/

He's currently on hunger strike, and wants to get moved to a female prison. Unsurprisingly, there are plenty of deluded handmaidens like you who agree...."

Here.

This is the secret FB group LM claimed to run - ie. not the Labour against transphobia hit list.

Later on, LM claimed that down with cis is just like saying down with the patriarchy.

"Down with 99.999% of the people in the world!"

Yeah, that'll work out well. Great plan on how to get Labour elected, that.

I hope you all know I had to scroll down Liam's timeline to get that screen shot. I feel sullied now.

I don't normally go for dead naming or misgendering trans people - but for Liam I'll make an exception. He is vile - that a women's officer should make it their business to compile shit lists and get women expelled from the party is just beyond parody.

Do you need some cute animal videos to cleanse your brain?

Good idea - I'm off to scroll down emergency kittens...

LM was voted into the Women’s Officer position.

We need to be asking those LP members why they thought LM would be a suitable candidate for the role, and why the LP allowed LM to stand.

We need to be working out how this happened and why. Who voted for LM, and why? I think they are answerable.

I asked my MP directly on what grounds LM was able to stand. He didn’t reply to that part of my letter.

Thankyou for your sacrifice :o

Areyou have you a screenshot of Madigan saying it's like saying down with the patriarchy?

I will find you an otter link afterwards?

Letter just posted on the crowdfunder which has apparently been sent to the Independent:
"Dear Sir,
On Thursday, Lily Madigan wrote about her experience in the Labour Party and her opposition to Jennifer James’ campaign to protect female representation in the party.
I’m also a member of the Labour Party and I also happen to be a trans woman, though that is unimportant when I am campaigning with my local party to re-elect our Labour councillor.
I know that I’m not really a woman. Women are female and I am male, but that matters little in my day-to-day life. The law lets me change my legal sex, society respects the credibility of the process and I am accepted for who I am.
Tragically, the campaign for self-identification risks all that as it spawns doubt and confusion: if anyone can self-identify as a woman, what does the word woman even mean? In this strange post-modern world, self-ID cuts straight across the rights of women to organise and associate as a sex.
Transgender campaigners tell me that men would not self-identify as women just to access All Women Shortlists (AWS). I’m not convinced, especially if they want to see AWS brought into disrepute so they can abolish them. The result: those men get what they want, women lose, and trans people get the blame.
I’ve therefore given my money to Jennifer’s campaign. We must keep AWS to protect the representation of women. Trans people do need to be represented, but not at women’s expense.
But sadly, in a vicious environment where men and their trans allies conspire in a secret Facebook group to force women from the party, I must remain anonymous. My solidarity, however, is total."

Good letter, CapnHaddock.

This is on FB, with a credit to ExpatDragon’s comment on LM’s piece in the Independent: Comment on Janice Turner’s piece in The Times today. Not the best-written in the world but it gets to the point.

^^ YY. great letter.

Here you go.

This is the Twitter link: twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/955234898117300224