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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

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QuentinSummers · 24/01/2018 21:14

Follow on from
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group?msgid=75082467#75082467

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HairyBallTheorem · 29/01/2018 22:13

Well, over 1000 people have contributed to JJ's fundraiser, and 5 lurkers for every person doing something would be an extremely conservative estimate on most internet activities...

I don't think it's Remainers! (And in any case, one doesn't need to "renew" one's membership - it's done by DD and continues until one takes an active step to stop it. As I did. Last week in fact.)

thebewilderness · 29/01/2018 23:06

Well there we go! Women can debate all they want but the 8th rule of misogyny is the Labour policy: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 29/01/2018 23:30

HOw can we find out the statistics of who left, i.e. which sex was the majority? Remainers my arse.

RedToothBrush · 29/01/2018 23:47

HOw can we find out the statistics of who left, i.e. which sex was the majority?
You can't.

Mner · 30/01/2018 07:19

They'll bury anything that would prove them otherwise unless it's possible to submit a FOI request...?

RubyLennoxExists · 30/01/2018 08:07

The Labour Party isn't a public authority so not subject to FOI. But I guess it may have obligations to its members to disclose certain information?

IamSpartacusTheGardener · 30/01/2018 08:17

Maybe LM can find the info?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 30/01/2018 08:21

According to the article it has been attributed to Remain voters not renewing their membership.

Well that is a lovely way of killing two birds with one stone

Hide the 'fact' that the people leaving are women unhappy with labours recent acttions and self id (obviously ive no idea but its a weird coincidence)

And with all these remainers leaving they are obviously getting behind brexit

Yay Confused

pamish · 30/01/2018 15:59

Enjoy this glorious Twitter thread: twitter.com/Ovalegal/status/957750766688595968 about Sheila Jeffries.

OvaHere · 30/01/2018 16:20

That's hilarious pamish Grin

TheNerevarine · 30/01/2018 16:21

Enjoy this glorious Twitter thread: twitter.com/Ovalegal/status/957750766688595968 about Sheila Jeffries.

YYY, it's fantastic. Click on the first tweet though, 'cause there's more.

Also:

twitter.com/isabelzawtun/status/957790670760144896

OvaHere · 30/01/2018 16:33

After reading the Jeffries twitter thread I mooched around a bit and found this one

twitter.com/thinkrightuk/status/957976755943411712

It's a right wing mostly male thread but yet not a TRA in sight trying to thought police them despite most of the comments being extremely trans and homophobic.

Women are such easy targets. Why go after the truly offensive men when you can just whine about elderly women making you feel unsafe?

thebewilderness · 30/01/2018 19:14

Is that supposed to explain why the trans activists attacked Marie in the park last September? Strapping young men are all terrified of little old ladies so they assault us? Faugh!

boatyardblues · 30/01/2018 19:27

Anyone know what the (((three brackets))) around twitter handles is all about? I dimly recall reading about it being a signifier of some right wing group, but there were lots of Jewish folk on Hadley Freeman’s feed using them too, so now I’m totally confused.

thebewilderness · 30/01/2018 20:20

I think it just means enemy of mine these days.

FearedAndLoathed · 30/01/2018 21:25

It was originally a show of solidarity. There was an anti semitic script that was created to find Jewish people on twitter. It searched for Jewish names and other identifiers and marked Jewish names as such. Right wing mobs (and probably some left wing ones too) would then target Jews on the platform.

Is it trans activists using it? Gross if it is. I'm not aware of any similar targetting of trans people using that tech. It';ll just be them trying to suggest a similarity in scope and scale between transphobia and anti semitism.

Cwenthryth · 30/01/2018 22:12

I naively thought putting ((())) around someone’s name was giving them a hug!

thebewilderness · 30/01/2018 22:19

It used to be. The white nationalists adopted it to mean Jew and it has been all downhill from there.
Decent people still use it to mean hugs.

RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 23:58

A little thread to remind you of the difference between liberal democracy and authoritarianism. Written for the US and other politics but equally valid here. Do not give up or give in.

G. Willow Wilson @ gwillowwilson
It may be time to start thinking about how we can effectively push back against authoritarianism once the last of the checks and balances have fallen.

It's a mistake to think a dictatorship feels intrinsically different on a day-to-day basis than a democracy does. I've lived in one dictatorship and visited several others--there are still movies and work and school and shopping and memes and holidays.

The difference is the steady disappearance of dissent from the public sphere. Anti-regime bloggers disappear. Dissident political parties are declared "illegal." Certain books vanish from the libraries.

The press picks a side. The military picks a side. The judiciary picks a side. This part should already feel familiar.

The genius of a true, functioning dictatorship is the way it carefully titrates justice. Once in awhile it will allow a sound judicial decision or critical op-ed to bubble up. Rational discourse is never entirely absent. There is plausible deniability.

People still have rights, in theory. The right to vote, to serve on a jury, etc. The difference is that they begin to fear exercising those rights. Voting in an election will get your name put on "a list."

So if you're waiting for the grand moment when the scales tip and we are no longer a functioning democracy, you needn't bother.

It'll be much more subtle than that. It'll be more of the president ignoring laws passed by congress. It'll be more demonizing of the press.

Until one day we wake up and discover the regime has decided to postpone the 2020 elections until its lawyers are finished investigating something or other. Or until it can 'ensure' that the voting process is 'fair.'

A sizable proportion of the citizenry will support the postponement. Yes, absolutely, we must postpone elections. The opposition is corrupt! Our leader is just trying to protect us! A dictator is never without supporters.

And hey, if we pull ourselves back from the brink and the midterms go ahead and the 2020 election is free and transparent and on time, you are cordially invited to point at me and laugh. Honestly. No one will be happier to be wrong than me. Fave this thread. I will laugh with you

Since people are panicking prematurely in my mentions: I'm not suggesting that this chain of events WILL happen. I'm saying that if we were to slide into authoritarianism, this is how it would look. Bc many USians seem to think autocracy looks like something off the Syfy channel.

(I actually think we are done a massive disservice by most western dystopian fiction for this reason. It lies about the way real dystopias actually look and feel.)

instantwhipped · 31/01/2018 00:06

Just need someone to leak the stats from the Labour party. Maybe a journalist with an inside source. I bet you 50p this turns up in Private Eye in a week or so

Justabunchofcunts · 31/01/2018 00:12

Redtoothbrush thanks for posting that. Can you remember who it is by?

womanhuman · 31/01/2018 00:52

That link doesn’t work pam and I can’t find article browsing. Do I need sub?

Ereshkigal · 31/01/2018 02:04

Good one to share with people who are supporting on sympathy grounds. It makes it clear that it's not just a case of being "pro trans".