Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

[QuentinSummers]

Follow on from
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group?msgid=75082467#75082467

One critic accused Wilkes of “transplaining and quite possibly mansplaining”.

Surely, to "transplain" implies transpeople behaving in a way similar to mansplaining to women?

I noticed that too - I'm assuming Wilkes isn't trans (?) but the use of transplaining suggests he is

Seen this? Don't know who this is.

I don't know who it is but I saw a letter that had been sent to someone refusing then membership of the party (Labour)

I've just watched the clip of Corbyn on the Andrew Marr show. I thought he seemed to keep emphasising the position of the party, rather than allude at all to his own personal views. When Marr asked him if he thought self id transwomen were women, his reply was along the lines of yes the party 'treats' them as women. I actually thought it was a bit lukewarm, with no declaration that he himself thinks transwomen are literally women.

Or maybe I'm just wishful thinking..

Yes there is a potential tiny ray of light in;
"Do you think xyz"
"The party believes xyz"

Has anyone seen the article about David Davies in the Independent yet? It is here www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-david-davies-transphobe-transgender-abhorrent-lgbt-rights-labour-a8181881.html

Maybe worth a separate discussion? More comments underneath it suggesting people have little idea what self-ID actually IS....

Oh man, Kudos to andy55 in the comments of that Independent article for remembering this little gem:

Stan; "It's every mans right to have babies if he wants them".
Reg; "But you can't have babies".
Stan; "Don't you oppress me".
Reg; "Where's the fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?".

Thank you pamish for making it accessible!
Will remember to do it in the future.

I feel blessed my school let us watch the life of Brian in year 8.

They were telling us things on so many levels...

I had a reply to my email from Ann Black:

Hi XXXX, thanks for mailing, and I understand your arguments.
You may know that discussion on this was deferred to the NEC meetings in March, to give time for further discussion with all interested parties. I hope that some consensus can be found on the way forward.

With best wishes

Ann

Consensus?

The differing groups are almost completely opposed to one another.....

Good luck with that.....

Yes that struck me as well. Either you allow self-id on AWS or you don't.

another essential article.

fairplayforwomen.com/5102-2/

"Young lesbians these days are more likely to be identifying as transmen rather than as lesbians." Makes me cry.

I really think we should support anyone who's speaking up about this. I've emailed him.

www.david-davies.org.uk

One critic accused Wilkes of “transplaining and quite possibly mansplaining”. The person said it was “disgraceful” to suggest that they were “stifling debate” by refusing to “engage or ‘debate’ my identity and very core of who I am with those who actively refuse to accept that”.

Another wrote that “transphobic posts on the union’s Facebook page have been really impacting my levels of dysphoria”. They said that when Wilkes wrote that he did not agree that trans women were women “that comment made me feel physically sick and the palpitations that I’ve been suffering from started again”.

Me me me me. So you can legitimately hold everyone in the world to ransom with your hypersensitivity and emotional blackmail? No. Don't think so.

Good comment on the Times article.

The various quotes by trans activists about how terrible they supposedly felt as a result of what Wilkes said amount to no more than the usual victim-speak which they are now accustomed to using to shut down and win any argument. Just saying ‘I’m upset’ or ‘I felt hurt’ is not an argument, and shouldn’t be treated as one.

anonymouse that's the same Conservative lgbt group that was run by convicted paedophiles. They need to wind their necks in. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5320759/Conservatives-LGBT-group-linked-paedophile-ring.html

The LGBT group have tweeted a sort of apology to him.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feminists-can-oppose-transgender-policy-says-corbyn-j2xkschjk
Jeremy Corbyn allows free debate about trans women on shortlists

Any sharetoken?

I've not got one. Hoping someone else might have.

Its a Lucy Bannerman piece, so probably worth a read.

NotTerf I have had two responses - both said its not definite yet. One said 'transwomen are women' and a small proportion will not infringe on our rights. (WTF?! - A small proportion are unfringing on our rights!)

The second said don't believe everything you read on social media. I said you can't blame social media for wording on Labour's website.

I have responded to both.

Infringing not unfringing! Jeez!

Here you go @YetAnotherSpartacus www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feminists-can-oppose-transgender-policy-says-corbyn-j2xkschjk?shareToken=42ab02226a36dea75ba91cf653a50ffb