Labour’s NEC Set To Confirm Trans People Allowed On All-Women Shortlists

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www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labours-nec-set-to-confirm-transsexual-rights-to-all-women-shortlists-for-parliament-trans-women_uk_5a66782ae4b0e5630072d118

that post by two flames is a joke presumably

it changed from "do you have a disability" to "do you consider yourself to have a disability" ages ago

I don't think it is a joke no, I think it's about using the nice inclusive language in your example. The problem is "do you consider yourself disabled" is no different to "do you consider yourself a woman"

And the takeover of labour by shit-for-brained youngsters and inhabitants of Brighton is hereby complete.
As a Tory I should be happy. Strangely, though, I’m not.

So depressing. What we should be seeing are the men presenting in women's traditional garb and behaviour but still standing a trans identifying male candidates so sex not gender as mentioned above already.

I think they'd probs alienate more people by being anti-trans.

Just seen this. I know the thread has moved on, but noone is proposing the party be 'anti-trans'. In what way is anyone wanting anything 'anti-trans' rather than the law to be upheld on womens rights? I doubt anyone at all (besides 'transgender' males who it has to be all 'me me meeeee' with) would mind trans-idenfitied-females being on all female lists. As they are actually female. Which is the aim of the lists in the first place. Would be nice to see some transman representation anyway. Transmen are hugely forgotten about as transactivists have decided that transmen inherit male privelage the second they decide to transition, which is clearly batshit.

Missed the end off my post

Sick of MN posting before I am done. try again

There aren't enough people with 'traditional' values for it to be worth their while going backwards on rights issues.

Right issues, besides womens rights of course. WHo cares about the rights of boring old women when you could support male people taking those rights for themselves. Its fine for Labour to go backwards in terms of womens rights, it seems.

Although interestingly the terminology around disability has been like that for quite a long time - it changed from "do you have a disability" to "do you consider yourself to have a disability" ages ago.

That's been a bit blundered into via the Equality Act I think. The legal definition of disability is pretty vague. When tested in court it's been a case it's very difficult to prove not since the terminology looks at the person's subjective perception of 'significant' and their own assessment on the degree of impact on day to day activities, and the pressure has been on services, education, providers and everyone else under Local Government guidance to consider the definition and consider that persons possible qualification for EA protection and provide reasonable adjustments proactively to protect themselves from legal come back.

So it was probably helpful to ask straight out, do you consider yourself to have a disability, and also seen as a more sensitive way to ask than 'are you disabled'. Professionals leading this are usually very passionate about inclusion, disability rights and sensitivity. That's morphing now towards being interpreted as 'do you IDENTIFY' as having a disability with the new shiny legalities around 'identify'.

A mix between mission creep, people trying to be kind and then being afraid of clear boundaries as too harsh, and the road to hell being paved with good intentions.

Post by TwoFlames is not a joke. Labour now lets you self ID as female, BAME, and disabled.

Here is the Labour document aliceperry.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/labour-nec-report-16-january-2018/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Honestly? What kind of hole are Labour bloody digging for themselves here ffs.

They're not having any gatekeeping at all? Even with the disabled identity?

Well I want to self identify as disabled so I can have a blue badge and have more chance of a parking space at work.

That's me getting top rate DLA now I'm disabled, bye bye work

I think they mean that they want to collect more meaningful data about party members, their backgrounds and the challenges they may face.

Not that you can self-ID into roles that are exclusively for BAME or people with disabilities.

Because they haven't seen that coming yet, the bloody idiots.

Is the meeting still going on?

I see there’s no unicorn option. Give labour time though.

Pop I'm waiting for 'trans age' to really become a thing. That will come. This is about anarchism and boundary pushing as much as anything else for the political groups.

Someone let Rachel Dolezal know.

If I was an illegal immigrant I would just 'come out' as a 50 year old genderqueer Englishperson.

Jobs a good 'un.

I think they mean that they want to collect more meaningful data about party members, their backgrounds and the challenges they may face.

Self ID isn't the way to go about getting more meaningful data. It will do the opposite!

It would be a start if my local branch held meetings somewhere accessible. I can’t go unless someone actually takes me. Yes there’s a ramp from the car park but it’s like the foothills of the Himalayas to me. They are changing meeting night and looking for a new venue, wonder if it’s worth a reminder?

This is about anarchism and boundary pushing as much as anything else for the political groups.

It is.

The NEC are also recommending to allow people to self id as disabled or BAME. I'll see if I can link the report I saw on Twitter. The world has officially gone mad! How insulting!!?? You can't self id as a man though.

Lol. It took me so long to write my pp that someone else beat me to it. I obviously need to self id OUT of being disabled!

I’ve got it!!!

So if you, say broke your back and need to use a wheelchair, you can just say the magic words ’izzy wizzy, by the power of greyscull, I identify as a walker!!!’ and hey presto, you’re doing a tap dance.

Brilliant.

WARNING PLEASE READ

Morning all.

I'm here with a warning I'm afraid. Can't reveal my sources of course but suffice to say they're pretty reliable.

There are Labour staffers working in membership that are involved in the secret Facebook group and some of them are after women on Mumsnet (I guess to dox/add to their hitlist).

I have no idea how far they've gone already - as we know the list is now not in the public domain so we can't check - but this individual thought it only fair to warn us.

(will post on other relevant threads)