Labour’s NEC Set To Confirm Trans People Allowed On All-Women Shortlists

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www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labours-nec-set-to-confirm-transsexual-rights-to-all-women-shortlists-for-parliament-trans-women_uk_5a66782ae4b0e5630072d118

I agree Upstart and Wich I am also not in favour of GRCs allowing someone male to take a position or resource from a woman.

Nobody born a man should be on any woman's list. Calling a man a woman or using he/she etc is a courtesy. When did the psychiatric community start thinking it was a good thing to indulge delusions anyway?

How many spaces are there on the Jo Cox Women in Leadership programme? What proportion have gone to TIMs? With two receiving spaces, would they now be over-represented relative to the general population?

50 a year I thought.

I think it's 50 odd. So yes, disproportionately over-represented.

I’m sure there’s a pithy retort to that fact. Possibly including the words ‘die’ ‘hatespeak’ and ‘fire’?

Heather Peto has tweeted today that they have been accepted into the Jo Cox Women in Leadership programme this year.

Isn't Heather Peto the one that is already on an AWS?

I think Heather should be asked for a birth certificate. Mean? Maybe. But I want to know whether or not the Labour Party has already broken the law in respect of AWS.

So what’s heather then?

I thought Cook was on it last year?

Maybe Cook identified as something else for a bit last year, and so can have another go.

Isn't Heather Peto the one that is already on an AWS? Yes. So on an AWS and on the Jo Cox programme. Wonder how many women have managed that feat?

Sophie Cook is on the Jo Cox programme this year. twitter.com/sophiecooktalks/status/952196870054535169

Anna Lee was on it last year.

I can no longer support any concept of GRC.

Surely gender de-recognition is what is needed. Two sexes, no genders.

Huge amounts of emotional/ professional support for adults who have such strong body dysmorphia that they feel that they need to surgically change their body.

Hate crime to discriminate against people because they don't present in the way western society currently expects (most obvious example being men in dresses).

Enforcement of penalties and research into causes of male violence that make women and certain men fearful of being in shared spaces with them.

These are the answers, not a fictional reimagination of biological reality.

When did it become easier for society to accept that a man can become a woman than that a man can wear a dress?

I was just peeling the spuds and thinking ‘what would Socrates say?’

When did it become easier for society to accept that a man can become a woman than that a man can wear a dress?

^This X 100

When did this narrative turn? Is this just a way for homophobic MRAs to crush the feminist and gay rights movements in one fell swoop?

Possibly

70s & early 80s was GNC all over the shop not sure what happened.

Backlash I suppose.

When did this narrative turn? Is this just a way for homophobic MRAs to crush the feminist and gay rights movements in one fell swoop

I think some people give MRAs too much credit.

I think it's more that they want to just give full rights to gay men and women. People just lump the Trans thing in with gay rights because it's on the end of LGB without giving it a second thought.

JaimesGoldenHand

Excellent post. What you have set out should be the baseline position on 'gender identity' for gender-critical feminists. Instead of just opposing self-ID, we need to challenge the whole basis of trans ideology and its place in law, while setting out a progressive vision for laws that protect all gender-non-conforming people, both trans-identified and not. It's a positive stance and it also helps to shift the Overton Window. Feminists have been on the back foot in this debate for too long.

Just saw this tweet. Could only find the energy to sigh deeply.

^I hear the NEC is entertaining suggestions that disabled people and black people should also 'self-identify' for quota purposes.
You think this is a shit show?
Wait till you see men trying to geg on a list cos their great grandfather once visited Yemen^

WTF is happening with the NEC announcement? Am on the edge of my seat waiting to find out whether or not Labour will be transitioning to becoming for the menny and the few.

Agree with the above re: positive narrative.

Very well put Jaimes.

I started out sympathetic to the cause of trans people like most people on here. The more I've read, the sheer levels of misogyny and toxic male entitlement I have come across in the TRA community have changed my position from one of sympathy, through horror and disbelief at what is going on in the trans agenda, through to ultimately, a rejection of it.

I was prepared to move over a bit and share what few resources women have managed to obtain, not any longer. I'm done with being 'understanding' and 'empathetic'.

When will the Labour Party start identifying as a good, solid socialist party again?

that post by two flames is a joke presumably

Although interestingly the terminology around disability has been like that for quite a long time - it changed from "do you have a disability" to "do you consider yourself to have a disability" ages ago. I think to include people who had invisible disabilities / weren't wheelchair users / didn't have blue badges / weren't sure whether they qualified or not. Not for people without a disability to identify into but I suspect that probably happens. Defining disability can be hard. And is also a bit personal. What one person considers a disability another may not etc

Am on the edge of my seat waiting to find out whether or not Labour will be transitioning to becoming for the menny and the few.

Love your perfect way with words there

I simply don’t trust Labour any more, it may even mean me voting Tory for the first time in my life next GE if they have put the GRA amendments on the back burner.