More women looking at porn.

[MarquisDeCarabas]

Victory for female empowerment or treasonous complicity in the sex industry? What think you?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/15/porn-women-web-searches-female-sexuality-50-shaphy-women-desire-exploitation-powerful-role-sexuality

Hmm, first time poster, goady as fuck. ("What think you?" Seriously? Does anyone other than internet trolls or people writing bad fantasy fanfic construct sentences like this?)

Guardian journo on a lazy day? MRA troll?

Fuck it, I don't care, not engaging. Go get your cheap research/jollies elsewhere mate.

Hmm, read the article, load of bollocks. How would porn hub know more women are searching for porn? Perhaps it's men doing the search, as suggested by the top commenter
"Porn for women is something I watch when I'm not in the mood to see the woman get slapped, spat on, choked, spanked or get their hair pulled, all of which happens with monotonous regularity in "regular" porn"

Pornhub are masters at PR in my opinion and I tend to view any article mentioning them with extreme scepticism. They are probably hoping to entice more women to their site by planting the seed that there s tons of woman friendly porn on there.
I kind of admire them but I also think they are a case in point of what's gone wrong with our press. No due diligence in sources, no questioning the motivation behind these kind of studies, just chasing the clicks.

How many of the people that search for 'porn for women' are trans women?

Personally I have something of a problem with having female desire pornsplained to me by pornhub. For various reasons too obvious to enumerate

How about all the men trying to get their woman to watch porn with them? I wonder what their search term would be?

What worries me more is the fact that Pornhub are the ones touting themselves as suitable to take charge of all the age verification stuff.
Mindgeek (the parent company) has form for the following:

1. Shitty data security
2. Copyright theft on a massive scale

Making announcements like 'we know more women are watching porn' doesn't exactly make you want to trust them with your personal data, does it?

What does 'goady as fuck' mean?

There's also this article, which I found quite interesting. Women's use of porn is quite an interesting topic of discussion I would have thought.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jan/17/erica-garza-getting-off-book-sex-porn-addiction

Only for men who want to try and justify their need to watch women being filmed being raped, assaulted and abused for their wanking pleasure.

I kind of agree, but why do women enjoy watching porn then?

And they do enjoy it: I've got female friends who at least claim to watch porn very regularly - probably a different kind of porn overall to the kind preferred by men, but still porn.

I suppose the interesting question is that if there were was porn made by women for women, then would it be any more ethical than porn made by men for men? I'm not sure.

How can anyone tell who is looking?! Seriously!! Do porn sites have honest registers of those who view??!!

Ha ha ha!

I have never had a female friend who was into porn - but my stance might skew things.
However I have known women who:
-Advocate porn for reviving failing relationships
-Advocate porn for making a man change his mind when he says he wants out
-Demonstrate how 'cool' they are by purchasing porn with men

• Use porn with a partner to get in the mood

-Advocate porn as part of a seduction

All of the above women have had the kind of un-enviable relationships where they are uncertain about being wanted or respected.

I also know women who hang out with gay men and watch amateur porn - because 'its a laugh'...

I have never known a woman who uses it to masturbate or talks about that. Perhaps they are more uptight about admitting it than men, but my feeling is that women are more easily turned-off by porn than men and huge numbers of women actively dislike it.

I just don't think women talk about it as its not really acceptable for women to be into porn.

I don't know - I think women are often quite vocal about things that get the male seal of approval

It wouldn't surprise me to find women like porn. We've been told for thousands of years what we don't like sexually. Why is it in any way surprising that, with increasing choice, we are just the same as men in that we like watching people have sex?

It also wouldn't surprise me if it starts slow consumer led change in the industry

Thinking that porn is OK (given its typical content and the processes involved in its production*) is an important element of many women's refusal to acknowledge that they are living in a rape culture

*not all porn is like this etc

I used to watch it with my husband and sometimes alone, mainly amateur stuff that looked like real sex.
I haven't for years. Initially because it became harder to find stuff that wasn't really violent, aggressive, staged and looked unenjoyable for the participants. More recently because I have read so much about the damage porn does to the actors making it and the people using it that I really can't stand it now. I guess I feel about it a bit like a vegetarian feels about meat eating, even if they have eaten meat in the past.

We have had long threads on here before about ethical porn but I don't believe there is any such thing.

I think a problem with porn, is that the people who want to be filmed aren't usually the same people anyone wants to watch - so there is this horrible underbelly of getting younger, more attractive people to do visually appealing (not necessarily physically enjoyable) things that viewers want to see, but they have no natural inclination to do, acted out in front of the camera ..... and women tend to sense the exploitation, desperation, pain and humiliation more than a male viewer.

There is a steadily growing movement towards ethical porn (where all performers are treated with respect and properly paid). A lot of people like watching sexually explicit material (and reading sexually explicit material, too.)
Porn has always been better at promoting different body shapes and different kinds of people as sexy and desirable than mainstream media, and a lot of the ethical stuff focuses very strongly on diversity.

Unfortunately, at the moment, the government's ignorant, nasty and stupid approach to 'the porn problem' ie anything sex-related online is basically going to get rid of all the interesting, independent, wide-ranging stuff and leave nothing but the mainstream women-performing-for-men's-benefit stuff... which doesn't have a very good track record for good treatment of performers, either.

I don't think it is possible to have 'ethical porn'.

You have to agree to certain things and then do them in front of camera, even if you don't feel like it. People will feel pressurised to not back out if they get the willies or whatever, because they would let everyone else down.

Not being horrendously bad doesn't make it 'ethical'.

It's perfectly possible to have ethical porn. There are plenty of people who really like the idea of being a porn performer, so no need to coax or pressure those who are not keen on the idea. Ethical producers discuss what's going to be filmed with performers before shooting starts, and never spring anything on anyone on the day.

Ethical porn to me would be amateurs, doing it for the pleasure and not getting paid. Just getting off on being exhibitionists. Its possible. Just rare.

I still wouldn't watch it mind. I have no interest at all in watching people have sex. To me its something that should be private, but if both parties are happy with randomers watching, thats up to them I guess.

There is no such things as ethical porn. Even if women watch it, they are objectifying others for their own pleasure.

Objectifying people is wrong, even if it's women doing it.

Objectifying doesn't mean finding someone attractive/enjoying looking at someone.
It means seeing that person/class of people as having no purpose other than how they serve you. So seeing a woman as useful like a vacuum cleaner or a blow up doll, rather than as a person in their own right.
Men and women watching porn are not necessarily objectifying anyone. People watching porn and disregarding the fact the actor is doing something that will be causing pain/distress is objectifying as it means you see the actors function as to provide a scene you want over their distress (Im thinking choking or that poor Japanese actor who suffocated on seen in a bukkake film).

Men and women watching porn are not necessarily objectifying anyone.

Yes they are. There is no subjective relationship with a person on the screen. They're not a person to you. They're an image. And no matter how 'nice' or egalitarian the porn appears to be, you never, ever truly know the context.

All porn is objectifying.