ITV Transformation Street

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On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

You had neither menarche nor menstruation. You did not have menopause.

"You had neither menarche nor menstruation. You did not have menopause."

Yes, This.

Words mean things. "Menopause" specifically refers to the cessation of menstruation. It does not mean "hormonal disturbances a male person has in middle age", regardless of what artificial hormones that male person may or may not be taking.

If you want to be an ally to women, or even a friend, you need to stop trying to erase the differences between you and us.

And yeah, weasely non-apology not accepted.

Thank you! I was having one of those “am I the only person seeing this?” moments.

I mean, look, this is why even many women who started out from a position of wanting to achieve some sort of compromise with trans women have ended up realizing that no compromise is really possible, because even the "nice" trans women who don't send rape or death threats are absolutely determined to erase and public differentiation between our experiences and theirs. If we can't talk about the experiences of female humans as a group, if the language we need to do so has been compromised, then there's no way to fight for more rights for women and girls, or even hold the line in terms of the rights we have now. I know that for many trans women this is basically a coping mechanism, but when you decide that your coping mechanism is more important than women's ability to name and discuss our experiences then that's a deeply selfish decision and makes it impossible for us ever to achieve any sort of compromise that works for both parties.

Trans women are different from women and have different life experiences and different needs. There's no road forward without acknowledging that basic fact.

I am sorry the apology for upsetting you has fallen on deaf ears, those that know me know I am a sincere person and accept that if I say I am sorry then I mean what I say.i have always had to defend my corner and will always do so, I would never belittle womanhood nor try to subvert the gender of women because I respect all women.my G.P gave me that statement about my symptoms in1991 possibly he was using the term incorrectly in explaining to me what my symptom mirrored but all I have told you is as it was said to me.and I never say anything “Weasley”

People who disagree with you are not "deaf".

Nope.

I’m sorry my explanation of what menopause is has fallen on deaf ears. I have also always had to battle my corner, as many other women with gynae and hormonal difficulties have had, so attempting to guilt me about your suffering won’t work either.

You and I have had different experiences. That’s all there is to it.

Women are not going to pretend that female specific biology doesn't exist to avoid hurting trans women's feelings. That, the transitioning of children, and dicks in single sex spaces where nudity can be expected are the hills that I will die on, and I'm not alone in that.

Nothing to add to that. Well said.

I will also make those things my hill to die on.

It was common to call the middle aged testosterone drop men experience "male menopause". Your decision to claim the menopause and leave the male behind was your own, 48harv.

Further, harv, you are a male regardless of what you fantasize and surgically modify. These are biological facts not subject to male dominance displays. The women on mumsnet expect honest engagement and will call you on this sort of "not like those other girls" manipulation.
Personally I find all radical factions of any group to be dangerous because they refuse to listen to level heads who want to slow the pace,the suffragettes in the early 20th century were different to the verminous rants of some radical groups of today that in my humble opinion drive a wedge through tolerance and diversity
Eff you very much.

"Verminoous"

Or verminous, even.

Well it appears that being a bully is not a male prerogative, what this tirade of aggression shows that there are no barriers to hatred nor is it gender stereotyped although it is sad to experience it in the fairer sex,

Nasty wimmins being all opinionated and non-deferential! Womanhood = stereotypical femininity.

Seriously, only a man could frame "women are not going to pretend that female biology doesn't exist" as "bullying". Male socialization is a hell of a drug.

Earlier in the discussion I was chatting to pleasant friendly people openly and frankly and I enjoyed it immensely the last selection are the type that pulled out my hair by the roots, still I hold out hope for the majority not the aggressive radicals

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

Which rule is "proper female behavior is whatever the male person they're talking to at the time would like it to be"?

Seriously, only a man could frame "women are not going to pretend that female biology doesn't exist" as "bullying". Male socialization is a hell of a drug.

YY. FFS.

Seriously you think that the way you are behaving is worthy of you, then shame on you,