ITV Transformation Street

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On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

is the Paris Lees style "being sexually harassed is so validating" crap.

Well yes. And I know you can't tar all transwomen with the same brush.

But, in the language of spectrums (!) it's pass and parcel of the same thing. Validation.

Lee's validation comes in the form of sexual harassment that is abhorrent to women.

Doubly so, because they maintain that, as they are a woman, they are representing women. And therefore legitimising sexist nonsense as 'things women say'.

Infuriating.

harvs validation comes from calling what is happening to them by female specific terms.

Perhaps no where near as offensive as Lees, but exactly the same concept.

@ellaoldie I am here for you if you want to chat privately. I totally get it.

But there are adult women who refer to themselves as girls.

Italiangreyhound

@Datun I. Not sure what you mean about kid gloves. I think I try and treat everyone the same on relation to situation.

Ah. That's ok. I see the kid glove treatment all the time. It's a little embarrassing, sometimes.

It's perfectly likely that you are just a very nice person and don't change your behaviour depending on if you are talking to men or women.

Plenty of women do, but of course not everyone.

It wasn't meant as an insult.

Ps maybe it is me who should offer to leave!

But I am not going to! See I am not so nice after all!

@Datun it's fine I know. Actually I am sometimes more tough about males in real life. and I think on here am sometimes pegged as a man-hater.

On a forum for gay rights and trans people I was slammed a bit for my views and would very much not be seen as a nice person. I would vevseen as a hater. which I think is very far from the truth!

Pretty much. The specific thing trans women want that proves to them that they're women varies, but there's always something, and there's always the rapid switch to anger and sexist putdowns when women refuse to give it. I'm not sure that it's possible for them to relate to us as people because their happiness/mental health/whatever depends on convincing themselves that they are part of the same category we are, which means that we mustn't be allowed to say things that make it clear that that's not the case. When we do, well, rage, not-acting-like-a-woman-should, rinse and repeat. So the only way for them to remain content is for us to stop talking about female specific experiences. Which to a feminist is obviously unacceptable.

There are the exceptions, like Miranda Yardley, but there aren't very many of them, at least on social media.

But there are adult women who refer to themselves as girls.

There are, of course.

But, to me, this is where the whole thing gets very muddy indeed.

Because people, including me, do not like anecdote presented as evidence.

But there is a point which anecdotes become so overwhelming that they cannot be ignored.

It is a very specific characteristic for (some) transwomen to refer to themselves as girls. Over and over.

I suspect it is those who are autogynephiles. Because it often goes hand-in-hand with cutesy names like Tiffany.

So 'girls' as collective noun, unfortunately has a connotation that, although you can dismiss, is certainly something of a flag to me.

Dear Italiangreyhound it does seem I keep putting my foot in it, I call all my friends girls or even guys sometimes it’s a greeting that is all, as for The HRT gaff that is because when I go to see medical people I found it easier to say that than try to remember the name of the stuff I am on. Again it is not meant detrimentalally, also when you have to produce a fake life it’s beccessary to say certain things to alay suspicion, I had to make up a childhood an adolescence and a life until I was transitioned, I could hardly say I was in the cubs and boy scouts, that I have never had sex and had girlfriends to alay suspicion from family and friends. Like I said much earlier on you have to train yourself to be a good liar to live under the radar, which made my entrance to this forum so daunting,
This is not sweet talking you it’s me being honest.

48harv

Did you say you transitioned in your 40s?

I'm OK with your analysis that my language is OTT, italian. I know how I got here, and I'm comfortable with what I say and how I say it. I feel myself to be (mostly) polite but firm. I don't name call, threaten, lie, guilt-trip or misrepresent. I'm good with me - but I accept that it is your prerogative to disagree, and I'm good with that, too.

I don't think you're over-reacting ella. I think women tend to under-react to this sort of thing, because it seems unkind to object.

It's like the anime avatars. In theory it's fine to like anime, but in practice trans woman + cutesy name + anime avatar is usually a red flag for a very specific kind of person with a specific set of fetishes and a distasteful interest in very young girls.

It's like the anime avatars. In theory it's fine to like anime, but in practice trans woman + cutesy name + anime avatar is usually a red flag for a very specific kind of person with a specific set of fetishes and a distasteful interest in very young girls

Exactly. There is no data. There is no official analysis.

But, as sure as eggs are eggs, you can take certain words, phrases and profiles (as above) and make an almost hundred percent prediction.

The same with transwomen who claim they are, at last, in middle-age, going through their longed for female 'puberty' as a result of hormones. And why shouldn't they experiment with cropped tops and fishnet stockings? Surely it's a rite of passage for any 'young girl'.

Try remaining polite, neutral and sticking to hard facts, in the face of that!

Dear datum that is correct after the final op in 1992 I wa 43 but began my journey in 1990

Harv

So have I got this right? You're saying you have had to invent a female life to cover from birth until age 43?

Do you not feel able to just say that you are transwoman and have that journey recognised?

My daily attire consists of trainers, jeans and a t shirt or blouse and a topcoat , I only rarely wear a dress except if I go out and tights are the nearest thing to leg wear, I was never brought to an orgasm for wearing female attire it was never sexually motivated .... I would as a child get these tremendous headaches that could only be eased by dressing in clothes I felt comfortable in sometimes the pressure would seem like my head was about to explode

I remember over 20 years ago seeing this one guy who used to wander around the main shopping strip of City That Will Remain Unnamed so I don't out myself wearing a mini skirt and fishnet tights even in the middle of winter. Looking at the subset of trans women who join "sissy maid" forums and so on I don't see any difference between him and them other than 20 years and a change in terminology.

Most people find it icky and uncomfortable to be forced to participate in someone else's fetish, but that's another thing that you're not supposed to actually say because it makes you a mean girl. Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.

No , in my upbringing anything but straight heterosexual would have resulted in something to horrific to contemplate,only last year an openly transexual women was murdered in my town in a most brutal way only streets away from me

harv
I don’t mean this to sound insensitive but I am genuinely curious as whether you are on the autistic spectrum. Just because my friends son is autistic and he experiences the headaches if he’s not in the ‘right’ clothes.

I agree the excesses carried out by a few trans people are disturbing and and to be honest a little scary I can empathise with that but I never dressed outlandishly

No , in my upbringing anything but straight heterosexual would have resulted in something to horrific to contemplate,only last year an openly transexual women was murdered in my town in a most brutal way only streets away from me

Which murder was that, 48? There have only been 7 murders of trans people in the UK in the last decade. None in 2017. And the only person murdered in 2016 who could possibly come under the trans umbrella was William Lound who, according to his family, identified as a gay man who liked to cross dress.

By the way, also in the last decade, 12 transwomen have been found guilty of murder,

Interesting insight , never thought along that line I did see a battery of psychologist before being diagnosed with gender dysphoria all came to the same conclusion

I’m not saying you don’t have gender dysphoria, but the two things can sometimes coexist.
It just jumped out at me that’s all.

Her death was photographed but the police and if my memory is factual it was around August 2017 I won’t give the town as it might lead to complications for me that I don’t want

Deadly lampshade I am not upset by you synopsis it has merit

There was one trans kid story where the mother interpreted her child's walking on tiptoes a lot as wanting to be a ballerina and thus having a girl's brain, but that's also a thing sometimes observed in autistic kids.

(I think it's that the texture of the carpet bothers them so they're trying to touch it with as little of their feet as possible.)