Labour party invents new bollocks made-up non-existent definition for woman

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labour.org.uk/members/get-involved/national-youth-elections-2018/

Sixteen uses of the word 'self-defining woman'. Zero uses of 'female', 'biology', or plain 'woman'.

'Woman' is now literally meaningless. A woman can be a bog-standard heterosexual teenage male (Lily Madigan), if he says so.

And obviously with half the places reserved for 'self-defining women' (not 'women', 'self-defining women'), then there's not really any reason why men wouldn't define themselves a women, is there?

If misogynistic shits like Lily Madigan can 'self-define as a woman', well ALL men are women, aren't they?

The whole bloody human race is 'self-defined women'.

Stupid Labour.

I used to be like you Tea, a passionate trans advocate. But now I realise that trans has been hijacked. It is a penis rights movement.

Open your eyes. Have women always been oppressed because of an internal sense of femininity?

ButFirstTea

In the nicest way, I'm wondering if you're aware of/fully understanding the facts around this.

You realise this definition is literally saying that anyone can claim to be whichever physical sex they choose? So recently, a woman asked for a female nurse to perform a smear test and the nurse who was allocated to her was a man?

What do you think "identifying as a woman" means please?

Yes Lily Madigan was elected, goodness knows why, but the fact is that Lily is a man. And have you seen Lily's history, demanding access to girls' changing rooms at school?

Do you believe that women should be entitled to safe spaces e.g. At rape crisis centres?

ButFirstTea it’s really not a complicated question at all.

Do you really not see that what underlies women’s oppression in all cultures across pretty much all of recorded history is the biological differences between the sexes?

Without women’s realitive vulnerability in terms of size and strength, pregnancy and childbirth, men wouldn’t have been able to impose their will on us the way they have done.

Without the clear biological differences between us, they wouldn’t have known who to oppress in this way. It’s never been bloody random!

Transwomen face their own struggles and deserve support and recognition like any minority. But they do NOT share the history of female oppression because they are, by definition, male. They were not denied the vote till 1918. Not prevented from taking out credit in their own names even in the 1970’s. Not paid less for the same work because of the sex they were born. Or any of the other countless examples of sex-based discrimination, violence, and control that women have been and still are subject to.

The history of women’s oppression is the history of sex-based oppression. Transactivists try to obscure that, which erases the reality of women's experiences and struggles and that is a fundamentally misogynist ideology. Which is why there is a complete clash of “rights” here.

I just want to know on what basis they think these roles need to be filled by women if woman is literally just a feeling? If it's about biology and women are held back in politics because of biology fair enough. But if it's about feelings..someone explain why it's necessary.

Right, cant be arsed with reading through all the transplaining/derail

But in terms of the Labour party: female members can resign their membership or even their voluntary effort on behalf of the party and say why (but still vote labour)
Females can vote for an independent candidate in a "none of the above" protest and let their local Labour party know they are doing this and why.
Females can even stand as an independent on this issue. Enough women doing that might make the political parties take notice
This is assuming we can't get a women's lib party together.

I am a lib dem member but not active with them as they made me fill in a load of whiffle about what gender I identified with when i joined. It put me right off although their political ideology is still closest to mine.

I think democracy is broken

this whole thing is just so horrendous. Bloody labour. I'm not a party member but maybe I should join up to resign?!

Anyway, I’ve voted Labour all my life, but will never do so again while they continue to espouse this misogynist, homophobic shit.

I just emailed the linked email from the op. Wankers.

The fact that Lily Madigan, supposedly a Labour women's officer, is prepared to support someone who is Tory and anti abortion simply because they are pro extreme trans activism shows just how utterly batshit crazy this whole situation is.

Don't think Labour care what women think. Will consult with LGBT groups but no mention about consulting women on this.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/91984/excl-dawn-butler-calls-trans-candidates-stand-all#undefined.uxfs

53rdway, your post at 18.59 is spot on, I completely agree with you, but wouldn't have been able to express my thoughts so clearly so, thank you!

Good point about young activist women identifying as agender etc and therefore being ineligible for these roles.

Also taken ask at Labour women's officer supporting anti abortion Tories.

Fucks sake.

Right, cant be arsed with reading through all the transplaining/derail

I, like most others on this thread, think this entire thing it's nuts.

However, I think it's unfair to call a differing view on the thread a 'derail'. Not really in the spirit of debate is it? Assuming you are talking about ButFirstTeas posts?

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I support trans people, not transphobes.

oops, wrong thread! Although, maybe also appropriate, since it's about a young (Green) male politician being asked about being a member of the transactivist group that organised protests against the 'We Need To Talk About The GRA' event in Glasgow last night.

Good point about young activist women identifying as agender etc and therefore being ineligible for these roles

These penis rights activists won't even share the spoils they've gained with their fellow travellers - if they are women.

Something wrong with that @ for Ross Greer or is he Green?

He's Ross_Greer on Twitter. I think MN's formatting has got confused with the @ symbol.

It's going to be interesting explaining politics to my DD - don't ever VOTE LABOUR they hate women. Very very scary

Actually I have been considering joining the LP BECAUSE of this rubbish. They are having women's officer in every constituency and we actual women need to apply and claim those spots.

Yes in many ways labour are totally fucked. They do my fucking head in. But I'm more labour than anything else, I'm never voting Tory or LD, and chances are labour will win the next election (well more likely the Tories will lose it).

Wouldn't we as women be better off storming Labour en mass and changing it? I can't help but feel this is our best chance for some proper change. Remember right we're never given to anyone - they are always fought for and taken.

hair yes. I don't have to be polite to people and I'm bored with spending pages and pages debating bollocks like "trans women are as underrepresented as women".
It is a derail when the topic at hand is Labour's definition of "self identifying women".
Other people can engage if they want but I've been posting on these ground hog day threads for around 5 years now and I'm bored.

I'm also bored with disingenuous "but not all men are like that" posters, it is a very similar MO

well if all of us feeling this way contact the Labour Party and say "I could vote for you, but..."

We have local elections coming up in May and I just don't know what to do.

hair yes. I don't have to be polite to people and I'm bored with spending pages and pages debating bollocks like "trans women are as underrepresented as women".

Fair enough. It's just that more and more people appear to be thinking about this stuff a bit more critically. How many people have said 'a year ago I was totally on board with the trans agenda but reading the threads on here has changed my mind' - myself included actually.

Obviously it shouldn't be your job to 'educate' if you don't want to, and God knows if you have been doing it for 5 years I'm not surprised you are bored with it and don't want to engage. But there will always be new voices on these threads and if you just dismiss their opinions as derailments that you can't be arsed with, it won't encourage people to think any deeper.

I don't know, I think more and more people are peak transing!

when I first posted a query on MN - caused by complete confusion on the meaning of the word transgender as opposed to transsexual - I was accused of being a troll or MRA etc so it's very important to me to talk to people who might not understand what's happening.

so I hope ButFirstTea is still reading this. I'm still thinking some of the people I hear saying "I support trans people" actually don't know what is really happening at the moment and the media, apart from the Times it seems, aren't helping.